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  • kruder
    Coaching Staff
    • May 2011
    • 3768

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Schache on the trade table its official. Is he too similar to Tom Boyd? Whats he worth? No doubt we will be linked on Monday morning.

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    • macca
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2007
      • 2352

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      If we offer pick11 to swap their pick 19 , would that be a fair trade maybe pay same salary cap ? Former 2nd pick 2015 , a few years in the system. He would address a real age GAP as we don't have any tall forwards except Zaine of similar age

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27654

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        Originally posted by macca
        If we offer pick11 to swap their pick 19 , would that be a fair trade maybe pay same salary cap ? Former 2nd pick 2015 , a few years in the system. He would address a real age GAP as we don't have any tall forwards except Zaine of similar age
        Do you mean swap our pick 11 for Schache and their pick 19? I don't think they would do it.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • GVGjr
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 44190

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          We could offer our pick 9 for Schache which I think they would jump at or maybe if there are no better offers they might bite at our picks 9 and 26 for Schache and 19. Ironically that would value Schache at about pick 11. Pick 19 positions us a lot better than pick 26.

          The Lions could then ship pick 26 to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron, I think pick 19 is overs for Cameron as the some in the media are speculating on.

          We could have Boyd at CHF and Schache at FF and the can both take a turn in the ruck

          Schache has played 27 senior games of footy which is a bit of development into him already so if living in Melbourne does satisfy him then it's a reasonable risk given the potential upside.
          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44190

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by macca
            If we offer pick11 to swap their pick 19 , would that be a fair trade maybe pay same salary cap ? Former 2nd pick 2015 , a few years in the system. He would address a real age GAP as we don't have any tall forwards except Zaine of similar age
            I think I get what you mean but we can't pay part of a salary for a player no longer up there. We could only do that if we were trading a player to go up there as part of a deal. Ie Tom Campbell
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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44190

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

              Brad Lloyd has confirmed that he will discuss Hayden Crozier with us today. He wants to keep him but understands he's interested on moving to us
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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                This was from the Hun a couple of weeks ago, Brisbane were talking to Richmond who now want to go to the draft:

                Schache, a former No. 2 draft pick, surprisingly re-signed with Brisbane in June but was still on Richmond’s radar as the club looks for another tall forward to help Jack Riewoldt.

                The two clubs spoke informally about what a trade could look like after Schache ended his season early, returning home to Victoria instead of playing in the NEAFL grand final.

                .......

                What if we could get creative?

                Dogs give: 9 & 26, 3rd rounder 2018
                Brisbane give: 18, 41 and Schache

                Brisbane: Land another top 14 pick this year, it would be four inside pick 14. Plus 26 to help cover the early bid on Ballenden. The draft points would be worth about pick 14 or 15. Which is about his worth.

                Dogs: Still hold a first rounder in 18 (even though it's technically not, but pick 18 notionally is) and a possible additional first rounder for Stringer. That'd be two first rounders for Dalrymple this year and a pick 2 player from 2 years ago. We then use 39 on Crozier. Pick 41 to be used on draft day >

                (11), 18, 41, 80 plus Trengove, Schache, Crozier (anything for small trades)
                I still think this gets us Schache, now he's officially gettable. Throw in a Honey/Campbell if they want one. It's just a question of whether we want him. Personally I'd do it, especially with Trengove locked in, Crozier hopefully soon and one or two picks inside 20.
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                • kruder
                  Coaching Staff
                  • May 2011
                  • 3768

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  Brad Lloyd has confirmed that he will discuss Hayden Crozier with us today. He wants to keep him but understands he's interested on moving to us
                  Good moneyball selection he was always a player that was going to take time with his frame but players that can kick goals, good overhead and can tackle are attributes that we lack on the list.

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                  • Mofra
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 14861

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    Originally posted by kruder
                    Schache on the trade table its official. Is he too similar to Tom Boyd? Whats he worth? No doubt we will be linked on Monday morning.
                    I think so. We'd want a more athletic tall HF type rather than someone who does their best work leading from the square given Boyd & Redpath also seem better suited to leading from the square.
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                    • kruder
                      Coaching Staff
                      • May 2011
                      • 3768

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      I think so. We'd want a more athletic tall HF type rather than someone who does their best work leading from the square given Boyd & Redpath also seem better suited to leading from the square.
                      Schache actually isn't a bad runner he could be a Cloke clone roaming half forward its definitely food for thought. I think he is worth around pick 20 I guess if we get 11 for Jake we could look to downgrade that pic and get Josh that way.

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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13178

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        I think we are ok for talls in Boyd, Roughie, Trengove, Cordy, Adams, Collins, Roberts, Cloke and Redpath. If we are talking pick 9 get hold of Gaff's manager and give them something to really think about. We may need to overpay to get him but we have the coin and the pick and, more importantly, the need for his type of skill set.
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34316

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          Originally posted by 1eyedog
                          I think we are ok for talls in Boyd, Roughie, Trengove, Cordy, Adams, Collins, Roberts, Cloke and Redpath. If we are talking pick 9 get hold of Gaff's manager and give them something to really think about. We may need to overpay to get him but we have the coin and the pick and, more importantly, the need for his type of skill set.
                          Saints tried it with Gaff/WCE with better picks and were told no. I'd like an enquiry but it seemed a very emphatic no.

                          With Cloke probably in his last year, Redders with a poor injury record or even tradable, getting a very talented KPF this year might be good for short, mid and long-term plans with our forward line. With Schache he will probably need a good years education with the rucking coch to develop this in his game for a few minutes quarter.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • ratsmac
                            Coaching Staff
                            • May 2009
                            • 3974

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            We could offer our pick 9 for Schache which I think they would jump at or maybe if there are no better offers they might bite at our picks 9 and 26 for Schache and 19. Ironically that would value Schache at about pick 11. Pick 19 positions us a lot better than pick 26.

                            The Lions could then ship pick 26 to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron, I think pick 19 is overs for Cameron as the some in the media are speculating on.

                            We could have Boyd at CHF and Schache at FF and the can both take a turn in the ruck

                            Schache has played 27 senior games of footy which is a bit of development into him already so if living in Melbourne does satisfy him then it's a reasonable risk given the potential upside.
                            We could give Boyd a mentoring role with Schache which might actually help them both develop as well. I would be happy with Schache.

                            It would make us awfully tall but talls are normally good trade value for the future if need be. We would then have to draft all fast mids with good skill if we took Schache.
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                            • kruder
                              Coaching Staff
                              • May 2011
                              • 3768

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              Sounds like Crozier is pretty done deal I heard a backend of an interview I'm guessing it was Loyd on the way out of docklands and said he has a good relationship with us(no doubt after giving hammer away) and things will progress during the week. Reading between the lines I'd suggest its a 99.9% chance that he will be in bulldogs colours this year.

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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by kruder
                                Sounds like Crozier is pretty done deal I heard a backend of an interview I'm guessing it was Loyd on the way out of docklands and said he has a good relationship with us(no doubt after giving hammer away) and things will progress during the week. Reading between the lines I'd suggest its a 99.9% chance that he will be in bulldogs colours this year.
                                Hopefully for pick 39 (before compo blowing it out to 40+)
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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