Who would you have JMac target this year?

[Rocket Science]

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Staggered that people could want a deserting captain to come back

Even setting emotion aside, the bloke can't even get on the park and is so debilitated and broken down he's got one foot in the footballing grave. Let alone his own emotional and motivational state, which we've some familiarity with.

If we're remotely open to pondering a return we've got much bigger problems that we think.

[GVGjr]

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Staggered that people could want a deserting captain to come back

I get that sentiment but Griffen showed all the signs of someone not coping with the pressure of being a leader at a club where players were expecting him to stand up and be counted. He was never a great choice as being a captain.
I think we might be able to find a home for someone who played great footy for us. He would just have to be someone who follows the leaders not be a leader.

[Bornadog]

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Staggered that people could want a deserting captain to come back

A big no from me as well.

[Bornadog]

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We've put forward a good offer to Trengove and given he helps us out in a couple of positions I think it's a solid move.
That being said, even with Stringer looking like being a departure, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth chasing other big names or just focusing more on the draft and looking for a low key trade or two instead.

With the likes of Motlop, Menzel, Devon Smith, Watts and Lang all having limited appeal and Rockcliff looking very unlikely I don't think there is necessarily a quick fix for us. Is there is some merit in just adding some depth in a couple of positions but leaning more towards focusing on the draft?

We got English, Lipinski, Young and Greene via the draft last year so there is plenty of upside there but they will need another year. Dunkley, Collins, Adams and Williams from the previous year are very close to the mark so with an emerging list we might as well go to the draft in the strongest possible position.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on if we should go hard at trading for players or if it should be more about the draft and topping up in a couple of positions?

Unless we can get an A grader, perhaps we just hit the draft and stick to getting some young players in and build for the future.

I would also look at a rookie spot for another ruckman from either the VFL/SANL/WAFL.

[G-Mo77]

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I get that sentiment but Griffen showed all the signs of someone not coping with the pressure of being a leader at a club where players were expecting him to stand up and be counted. He was never a great choice as being a captain.
I think we might be able to find a home for someone who played great footy for us. He would just have to be someone who follows the leaders not be a leader.

No. Not welcome. They say time heels wounds, he's got a long time to go before most supporters say all is good. People still hate Nathan Brown and he just asked for a trade the right way.

[anfo27]

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I get that sentiment but Griffen showed all the signs of someone not coping with the pressure of being a leader at a club where players were expecting him to stand up and be counted. He was never a great choice as being a captain.
I think we might be able to find a home for someone who played great footy for us. He would just have to be someone who follows the leaders not be a leader.

Nobody would know better than our medical team how cooked Ryan's body is. Part of the reason he left was because we knew his body was shot. I'm not one who has a disliking for Ryan & he did give us good service but its a reality his body is finished.

[GVGjr]

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No. Not welcome. They say time heels wounds, he's got a long time to go before most supporters say all is good. People still hate Nathan Brown and he just asked for a trade the right way.

Actually no, all year Brown said he would stay if Darcy did but he was never going to do that. Very different but I get it's not a popular suggestion.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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The manner in which Griffen left the Club after being our best player and Captain was extremely disappointing. His form has fallen away at GWS. A renewed Griffen would however add some urgently needed support to Bont in the midfield and experience at the same time without Murphy and Matthew Boyd.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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We've put forward a good offer to Trengove and given he helps us out in a couple of positions I think it's a solid move.
That being said, even with Stringer looking like being a departure, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth chasing other big names or just focusing more on the draft and looking for a low key trade or two instead.

With the likes of Motlop, Menzel, Devon Smith, Watts and Lang all having limited appeal and Rockcliff looking very unlikely I don't think there is necessarily a quick fix for us. Is there is some merit in just adding some depth in a couple of positions but leaning more towards focusing on the draft?

We got English, Lipinski, Young and Greene via the draft last year so there is plenty of upside there but they will need another year. Dunkley, Collins, Adams and Williams from the previous year are very close to the mark so with an emerging list we might as well go to the draft in the strongest possible position.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on if we should go hard at trading for players or if it should be more about the draft and topping up in a couple of positions?

As suggested we have done very well with our recruitment over the past two years and you would want to make this approach a priority again. There is however an urgent need for a quality forward particularly with the prospect of Stringer going and doubts on whether Crameri and Dickson are going to improve. Similarly there has developed a lack of support for Bontempelli in the midfield with players like Liberatore Dunkley and Jong needing a big lift for us to regain our competitive edge.

[DOG GOD]

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For mine, griffen has "Deledio" written all over him. Just about stuffed and will be lucky to play 8 games next year...with Morris still down back that "needed" experience is still there...and ofcourse we are all unsure what another year will do to Morris...Boyd had a massive decline...can't see the point of carrying Griffen on the list if Morris struggles too.

[DOG GOD]

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The forward line for me is the problematic area we are facing. Too slow ATM, and with stringer/Crameri pretty much gone, it needs a massive overhaul. Good kicks a must and pacey. JJ and a Motlop on the HFF is the type of thing required, with a pacey forward pocket to keep the ball inside 50. Can't have the Wallis/smith/Dunkley types festering the fwd 50, especially if redpath/Cloke/Boyd are in there as well.

[GVGjr]

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As suggested we have done very well with our recruitment over the past two years and you would want to make this approach a priority again. There is however an urgent need for a quality forward particularly with the prospect of Stringer going and doubts on whether Crameri and Dickson are going to improve. Similarly there has developed a lack of support for Bontempelli in the midfield with players like Liberatore Dunkley and Jong needing a big lift for us to regain our competitive edge.

The players being suggested as available at the moment aren't necessarily going to address our needs in the forward line. Motlop and Menzel kick some goals but would we better on biting the bullet and going for a new set-up that maybe has Boyd and Cordy as the key targets?

I agree that the midfield also needs some work

We had midfield depth in 2016 but 12 months later it's lacking a bit of quality there.

[GVGjr]

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For mine, griffen has "Deledio" written all over him. Just about stuffed and will be lucky to play 8 games next year...with Morris still down back that "needed" experience is still there...and ofcourse we are all unsure what another year will do to Morris...Boyd had a massive decline...can't see the point of carrying Griffen on the list if Morris struggles too.

We would need to do an assessment on him but I think it's still worth looking at. If he doesn't measure up then lets look elsewhere.

[Sedat]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

We've put forward a good offer to Trengove and given he helps us out in a couple of positions I think it's a solid move.
That being said, even with Stringer looking like being a departure, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth chasing other big names or just focusing more on the draft and looking for a low key trade or two instead.

With the likes of Motlop, Menzel, Devon Smith, Watts and Lang all having limited appeal and Rockcliff looking very unlikely I don't think there is necessarily a quick fix for us. Is there is some merit in just adding some depth in a couple of positions but leaning more towards focusing on the draft?

We got English, Lipinski, Young and Greene via the draft last year so there is plenty of upside there but they will need another year. Dunkley, Collins, Adams and Williams from the previous year are very close to the mark so with an emerging list we might as well go to the draft in the strongest possible position.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on if we should go hard at trading for players or if it should be more about the draft and topping up in a couple of positions?

Motlop holds appeal for me for his pace, elite tank, creativity and age profile and the fact that he comes as a FA - he has attributes that we currently lack. Stefan Martin for a late pick is also an appealing proposition while English continues to develop without the need to rush him. Otherwise I'm very happy to go to the draft with a strong hand in the next 2 years and not waste time on some of the other players mentioned. I'd explore trading out Honeychurch, Campbell and Crameri in addition to Stringer, even if 1-2 of these players are only for pick upgrades.

[Twodogs]

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I would expect that GWS would need to pay a significant chunk of Griffen salary so I don't see that as an issue however, if by taking the full contract I wonder if we could be part of and sweetener on offer.

Put me in the 'for' camp too. I have no problem with Ryan so long as he can get on the park and play good footy or even just absorb hits that are intended for Marcus Bontompelli. The plastics paying part of his salary appeals to me perverse nature as well.

Actually no, all year Brown said he would stay if Darcy did but he was never going to do that. Very different but I get it's not a popular suggestion.

Correct. By the last game at Etihad it was apparant that Brown wasn't staying even though Darce had recommitted. I remember he did a little lap of honour that was punctuated by a fair bit of booing and advice of a personal nature.