Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

But he just says I don't want to play for you.

It won't happen I get the sentiment but he will get to the team he wants to go to.

The AFLPA have negotiated well to empower the players in their wish for movement.
Clubs know they're powerless, it's why I'm surprised more haven't pulled the trigger on a trade whilst the player is contracted.

Like how Jade Rawlings didn’t want to play for us?

He goes with who drafts him unless we trade him.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

Like how Jade Rawlings didn’t want to play for us?

He goes with who drafts him unless we trade him.

That was 20 years ago.

[bulldogtragic]

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That was 20 years ago.

What’s (rules) changed?

[DOG GOD]

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We won’t send him to the draft.
Geel will give us their first pick (22+) and reluctantly exchange our 3rd round picks, and we WILL accept it coz that's what we do.

I wonder if the playing group is as happy as I am…I’m doing cartwheels. Good riddance to him.

[Grantysghost]

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What’s (rules) changed?

Player power.

I can't think of a player that didn't get where they wanted to since the aflpa and managers became so influential.

I can't give you a rule sorry BT.

It's just the way things are now.

As I've said many times I'd have traded him last year.

[GVGjr]

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Don't they usually just put some insane price on their head and that's that?

Not really because that should only work if the club actually has the capacity to pay it. I doubt Geelong could do that easily.
Richmond and North however, would have a heap in the cap if it came to that. Getting access to his medical records would be more of a stumbling block.

[Bornadog]

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I don?t buy into the talk Smith is same as or worse than Dunkley.

I think there is a clear distinction between the two departures.

I am not saying the departures are the same, I am saying both are self centred gits who are not team players and want a certain role and won't do the team thing. Selfish

[Grantysghost]

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Not really because that should only work if the club actually has the capacity to pay it. I doubt Geelong could do that easily.
Richmond and North however, would have a heap in the cap if it came to that. Getting access to his medical records would be more of a stumbling block.

Yes I think we may need to factor in there's more to Bailey behind the scenes that could push his price down.

Coming of a knee too. I'll be happy with the Cats first rounder and we move on.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

First & F1 for Baz & F2?

Or PSD.

That simple.

You've normally got a great feel for how a trade might go down and what players are worth but you might be a bit generous with this offer. I wonder if giving back a F2 in this scenario is a bit too generous. I might be splitting hairs with it but a F3 seems a vastly better
and more balanced counter.

[GVGjr]

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I am not saying the departures are the same, I am saying both are self centred gits who are not team players and want a certain role and won't do the team thing. Selfish

Leaving a club to further your career, enhance your financial position or to get better opportunities is now the new norm and it's going to take a while for many of us to come to terms with that. Enough people knew Dunks was heading north and his attitude, effort and professionalism can't really be questioned. Smith on the other hand was exceptionally self focused and didn't help his team.
It's okay if anyone chooses not to see the differences and just lumps them both into the 'selfish git' basket but there is a massive difference in the two departures from my perspective.

[Hotdog60]

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Could we get a player with their 1st round pick someone we could use that isn't getting a game because there is a senior player taking their role.
I don't know anything about the Geelong VFL side but could we get into someone's ear to request a trade.

[bulldogtragic]

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You've normally got a great feel for how a trade might go down and what players are worth but you might be a bit generous with this offer. I wonder if giving back a F2 in this scenario is a bit too generous. I might be splitting hairs with it but a F3 seems a vastly better
and more balanced counter.

If he had a good year, or no ACL maybe. But this is my take it or leave it, bottom line. Two picks around 20 isn’t great, but that’s as low as I’d go. We start with handing nothing back next year and work back to the F2 at worst.

Holistically, if we can get two firsts last year & Freijah, a first this year, two firsts next year and anything from $1M-$2M in salary cap to hopefully attract someone worthwhile to come, then we should be pretty happy. More so if we can load up on mid range picks this year (we won’t have them with West & likely Cooney) we should be pretty happy with that as four year block of list management.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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I would like to see us walk him to the PSD and then pick him up if we aren't properly compensated.

it won't happen, but I would love for clubs to be able to take some of the power back.

[GVGjr]

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I would like to see us walk him to the PSD and then pick him up if we aren't properly compensated.

it won't happen, but I would love for clubs to be able to take some of the power back.

I agree there is no way we would redraft him and my word wouldn't the AFLPA, the AFL and the player managers turn on us if we did?

[Ozza]

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Bailey will play really well at Geelong as an inside mid. That's the reality of it.

I'm annoyed with him sure, but I also think he wasn't managed particularly well by the coaches over the last couple of seasons and that has contributed to his decision.