Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[lemmon]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I can only assume he's being poorly advised because a two year contract extension on the table not even half way through ACL rehab isn't something a sensibly managed person would turn down. Massive risk and he still has time between now and the end of the season for shit to go sideways.

Unless he has 4+ years on the table from Geelong at big dollars, plus coa$tal life$tyle and more access to the money churner that is Cotton On.

Realistically, even if something went wrong in his rehab, our offer was never going away. We tried to get him through to free agency knowing that it was the best he might accept and realistically, we'd get as much through the door for him as a free agent as we will in a trade this year.

I was more annoyed about Dunkley going because the reasoning always felt nebulous, but I do 'get it' with Bailey. It seems like he's never quite fit in at the Dogs, he can go to a club that is relaxed with contact hours, he'll be their best midfielder in round 1 next year and he gets to keep growing his commercial interests in the way he can't with us.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

"Geelong will have a pretty late first-round pick, which is less than Smith would have fetched in 2021 after a pair of superb finals performances (v the Brisbane Lions and Port Adelaide), but should be the basis for a trade, bearing in mind that he is out of contract and is recovering from an ACL. In this particular draft, recruiters say it will be possible to land as good a player at pick 18 as pick eight."

Is Jake Niall on the Geelong payroll? Take a long walk off a short pier. Top 10 pick or equivalent as a minimum. For both on field and off field draw power.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I can only assume he's being poorly advised because a two year contract extension on the table not even half way through ACL rehab isn't something a sensibly managed person would turn down. Massive risk and he still has time between now and the end of the season for shit to go sideways.

Paul Connors is his manager so I doubt he's not getting good advice. It comes down to the player though and the manager will ultimately try to achieve what the player is asking for.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

If their pick is at the end of the 1st round surely we can ask for a future 1st as well.

No chance. Best we can hope for is their first this year. I think that's OK apparently a deep draft.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

Cotton on is probably picking up half his salary. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a future 1st as well if they think they are going to go places next year that's closer to a future 2nd. Or we ask for a future 2nd and hope with Dads army they fall in a heap next year.

[Plums]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I'll be disappointed if the club takes a single low first rounder for him. In the brand power pull alone he worth more than that, let alone his on field performance.

Is asking a first and a future pick too ambitious though?

[azabob]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I'll be disappointed if the club takes a single low first rounder for him. In the brand power pull alone he worth more than that, let alone his on field performance.

Is asking a first and a future pick too ambitious though?

The stark reality is we have no leverage. I have no doubt Power will ask for a first round and future first but not sure we will get it.

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

The stark reality is we have no leverage. I have no doubt Power will ask for a first round and future first but not sure we will get it.

I would rather we don’t deal and let him got PSD. Two firsts and no backing down

[azabob]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I would rather we don’t deal and let him got PSD. Two firsts and no backing down

My first instinct is to agree with this but I am not fully sold on this strategy and outcome.

[Plums]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I would rather we don’t deal and let him got PSD. Two firsts and no backing down

I can't see us letting a top echelon player got to the PSD for nothing in return. We would expect something in return for him.

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

My first instinct is to agree with this but I am not fully sold on this strategy and outcome.

I can't see us letting a top echelon player got to the PSD for nothing in return. We would expect something in return for him.

of course it won’t happen, but that is my feeling.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I can't see us letting a top echelon player got to the PSD for nothing in return. We would expect something in return for him.

y someone needs to go first and it will put a little fear back into the players mind set. Clubs need a o have some leverage and realistically picks would be nice but making a stand would send a message to everyone including HQ that we have an issue and it?s not in the best interest of anyone to put up with this crap

[jeemak]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

Unless he has 4+ years on the table from Geelong at big dollars, plus coa$tal life$tyle and more access to the money churner that is Cotton On.

Realistically, even if something went wrong in his rehab, our offer was never going away. We tried to get him through to free agency knowing that it was the best he might accept and realistically, we'd get as much through the door for him as a free agent as we will in a trade this year.

I was more annoyed about Dunkley going because the reasoning always felt nebulous, but I do 'get it' with Bailey. It seems like he's never quite fit in at the Dogs, he can go to a club that is relaxed with contact hours, he'll be their best midfielder in round 1 next year and he gets to keep growing his commercial interests in the way he can't with us.

With two seasons on the table to get to RFA status, a bird in the hand is worth........whatever's in the whatever, at that stage of your rehab. So we perhaps in the mind of him and his manager low balled him.

Paul Connors is his manager so I doubt he's not getting good advice. It comes down to the player though and the manager will ultimately try to achieve what the player is asking for.

There's obviously been a risk taken. Perhaps his main suitor said they'll take him no matter what and that was enough for his manager and Bailey himself. But contracts can always be pulled and the two years we offered given his return year was likely to be relatively unproductive was basically a gift.

[ledge]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

We need to understand you don’t **** over clubs as they will **** you over in the future so you deal in good faith.
Wherever he wants to go that’s where you do the deal, no you don’t take a stupid deal but you take one that’s fair as you might have a player waiting to come to your club from them in the future. Sending him to the draft gives us nothing and the club he wanted to go to won’t trade with you in the future.
As much as we say fans want to stuff over certain teams in reality you can’t.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

We need to understand you don’t **** over clubs as they will **** you over in the future so you deal in good faith.
Wherever he wants to go that’s where you do the deal, no you don’t take a stupid deal but you take one that’s fair as you might have a player waiting to come to your club from them in the future. Sending him to the draft gives us nothing and the club he wanted to go to won’t trade with you in the future.
As much as we say fans want to stuff over certain teams in reality you can’t.

How many Bailey Smith's are you expecting us to lure away from Geelong's coa$tal life$tyle in the near future? I'll tell you right now it's zero.

One pick in the top 10 or two in the teens, for Smith and a second.