Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

This is by no means a knock on posters, and posters can post what they want.

However, I think it's much less likely that favouritism (or the opposite of) is the governing philosophy for selection, over measurable performance, continual feedback to players on how to improve perceived deficiencies, and talent. The problem is, we don't know what those metrics are, irrespective of what we can see and the ever improving data available to us. There's just so much we don't know.

It boggles my mind that some can fixate on this stuff in lieu of not knowing what's actually going on - and seriously believe that what they're fixating on is the truth without access to some more information. Or pick one possible cause for what's being seen and just stick with it.

Maybe it comes down to personality types (and this place is a microcosm of different personalities). For instance, we just did DISC personality assessments at work and when going through those assessments I end up biased towards the stability (not mentally, as you'd have figured out) side of things and that's kind of how my views here play out.

So again, this isn't a crack at anyone, more an expression of curiosity and/ or fascination.

Great post Jee. Agree whole heartedly.

[1eyedog]

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Where did I say shut the place down? Where did I say we should all sing happy songs?

Posters can post what they like, and other posters can be surprised by what is posted and comment on it.

Absolutely agree but I'm interested in the comment 'It boggles my mind that some can fixate on this stuff in lieu of not knowing what's actually going on' and how that comment extrapolates across anything and everything else in your life that you know nothing about. I mean, why bother knowing anything and why bother trying to find out about it or forming an opinion. Right that's it! No more posts until Jeemak talks to Bevo!

[jeemak]

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Absolutely agree but I'm interested in the comment 'It boggles my mind that some can fixate on this stuff in lieu of not knowing what's actually going on' and how that comment extrapolates across anything and everything else in your life that you know nothing about. I mean, why bother knowing anything and why bother trying to find out about it or forming an opinion. Right that's it! No more posts until Jeemak talks to Bevo!

Finally!

As for your question, what I'm saying is I'm prepared to keep an open mind when I know I don't have sufficient information to form a solid opinion. It doesn't mean I don't want to know more of things.

[Grantysghost]

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Finally!

As for your question, what I'm saying is I'm prepared to keep an open mind when I know I don't have sufficient information to form a solid opinion. It doesn't mean I don't want to know more of things.

Can you ask Bevo for my mum why he's playing that poor boy Young in the ruck?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Can you ask Bevo for my mum why he's playing that poor boy Young in the ruck?

Maybe we should get your mum in as a senior advisor to Bevo. Tell him what’s what.

[comrade]

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Can you ask Bevo for my mum why he's playing that poor boy Young in the ruck?

Bevo:

[mjp]

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Can you ask Bevo for my mum why he's playing that poor boy Young in the ruck?

Well - If you ask Young whether he would prefer to play in the Ruck or at Footscray I'm pretty sure he would say 'RUCK'.

I know we're all pretty dismissive of the 'Young in the ruck' move, but:

He's really (really) tall.
Reads the ball well.
Has a good set of hands.
Contributes well in transition.
Understands/is capable of impacting on a contest defensively so opposition ruckman unlikely to kick goals on him.

(I mean...."SSHHHHHH - I actually don't mind it." But please don't tell anyone).

Did I wish we pulled the lever during the 2021 pre-season and let him grow into the role all year? Well - of course. But right at the moment it's not like there is anyone else...

[Grantysghost]

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Maybe we should get your mum in as a senior advisor to Bevo. Tell him what’s what.

God I wouldn't wish that on our Luke.

She's a veteran of two flags live though so she'd have some interesting insights.

Kick it! Is her common catch cry

[Grantysghost]

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Well - If you ask Young whether he would prefer to play in the Ruck or at Footscray I'm pretty sure he would say 'RUCK'.

I know we're all pretty dismissive of the 'Young in the ruck' move, but:

He's really (really) tall.
Reads the ball well.
Has a good set of hands.
Contributes well in transition.
Understands/is capable of impacting on a contest defensively so opposition ruckman unlikely to kick goals on him.

(I mean...."SSHHHHHH - I actually don't mind it." But please don't tell anyone).

Did I wish we pulled the lever during the 2021 pre-season and let him grow into the role all year? Well - of course. But right at the moment it's not like there is anyone else...

Totally with you MJP. I was in favour of it after the Sydney game he looked like he positioned himself well and read the ball in the air.

I think my mum is very protective of young Lewis, maybe for more reasons than just footy!

[mjp]

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Some of that is of course ridiculous but there is a perception that he’s stubborn with positioning & selection and doesn’t listen to other voices. Who would know what the MC meetings are like, but I’m convinced something needs to change

So what if you were told the Match Committee meetings were very vocal and there was lots of dissent...but ultimately the coach will get his way ('cos that's the way its always been and the way it always WILL be).

I mean - don't you want the coach to have a clear sense of what he believes in/what he wants? I mean, of course he's stubborn. Of course he wants things done 'his way'. That's why he's the coach. If he wanted to make suggestions he would have remained an assistant with Hawthorn. He wanted to make decisions so he applied himself to the task of becoming a senior coach.

I get the criticism and have often joked about team selection being based on a Bingo card (I know it isn't but as a clear outsider it does seem that way) and I regularly use phrases (usually after the team is announced) "don't EVER change Bevo" as yet another surprise is sprung upon us...but I 100% don't want the person in charge to be indecisive and generally wishy washy...if 'stubborn' is the alternative (and it probably is) then I'm in the camp for stubborn.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Well - If you ask Young whether he would prefer to play in the Ruck or at Footscray I'm pretty sure he would say 'RUCK'.

I know we're all pretty dismissive of the 'Young in the ruck' move, but:

He's really (really) tall.
Reads the ball well.
Has a good set of hands.
Contributes well in transition.
Understands/is capable of impacting on a contest defensively so opposition ruckman unlikely to kick goals on him.

(I mean...."SSHHHHHH - I actually don't mind it." But please don't tell anyone).

Did I wish we pulled the lever during the 2021 pre-season and let him grow into the role all year? Well - of course. But right at the moment it's not like there is anyone else...

I think Young has done exceptionally well in the ruck for a guy who doesn’t play the position and has barely had a steady game for us at all. The ruck situation isn’t his fault. To quote grantysghosts mum, that "poor boy".

[GVGjr]

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Well - If you ask Young whether he would prefer to play in the Ruck or at Footscray I'm pretty sure he would say 'RUCK'.

I know we're all pretty dismissive of the 'Young in the ruck' move, but:

He's really (really) tall.
Reads the ball well.
Has a good set of hands.
Contributes well in transition.
Understands/is capable of impacting on a contest defensively so opposition ruckman unlikely to kick goals on him.

(I mean...."SSHHHHHH - I actually don't mind it." But please don't tell anyone).

Did I wish we pulled the lever during the 2021 pre-season and let him grow into the role all year? Well - of course. But right at the moment it's not like there is anyone else...

I didn't think he went too badly at all and I'd be doing what I can to keep him and develop him as a ruckman
We need a ruck teacher at the club for a year or so.

[SonofScray]

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I didn't think he went too badly at all and I'd be doing what I can to keep him and develop him as a ruckman
We need a ruck teacher at the club for a year or so.

I am OK with Young in the ruck, so long as there is another ruckman paired up with him that is an actual actual ruck, not Hannan.

On the weekend, English effectively became Bruce. So even though we got him forward like we all hoped could happen, we didn’t get that ruck combo of athletic, tall mid PLUS big man at the coal face.

[Rocco Jones]

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I am OK with Young in the ruck, so long as there is another ruckman paired up with him that is an actual actual ruck, not Hannan.

On the weekend, English effectively became Bruce. So even though we got him forward like we all hoped could happen, we didn’t get that ruck combo of athletic, tall mid PLUS big man at the coal face.

100%. It's not Lewy, it's Lewy combined with guys who shouldn't be in the ruck. Really a target on our heads.

[Rocco Jones]

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Well - If you ask Young whether he would prefer to play in the Ruck or at Footscray I'm pretty sure he would say 'RUCK'.

I don't get the 'Lewy should pack his bags ASAP if he hasn't done so already crowd.

He is still only 22 AND quite raw. Not exactly killing it with his chances. A bit of a victim of his own early success. Yes, we could have shown more faith in selecting him. I don't see going him in the ruck an issue, like yourself. He has played 7 games for the season. If he is selected again this week, it'll be the most games he has played in a season and shows we trust him in a big one. Even if not, I really don't have him in the 'we don't value him basket' (unless he is treated like crap behind closed doors).

Of course he has the right to look elsewhere, I wouldn't blame him, like any fringe-ish player really big career decisions for them to stay or move. Hard to be loyal when your career can be greatly impacted.