Sharp Axes

[hujsh]

Re: Sharp Axes

Of course Bevo has responsibility. He has to make it happen.

9 Years - Finals in 2015, 16, 19,20, 21, 22 and hopefully 23, including 2 GF, Premiership

Finals are great BAD. But there's being in finals and having any sort of shot and there's being in finals to make up the numbers.

3 of those years had us just squeaking in and being immediately exposed as unworthy of being there.

To me they aren't accomplishments to hang your hat on.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sharp Axes

Of course Bevo has responsibility. He has to make it happen.

9 Years - Finals in 2015, 16, 19,20, 21, 22 and hopefully 23, including 2 GF, Premiership

2015 - lost EF
2019 - lost EF (disgracefully)
2020 - lost EF
2022 - lost EF (disgracefully)
2023 - let’s see if we make them

Making finals in given years shouldn’t be the metric. Wining them should be. We’ve only won finals in 16 & 21.

[Bornadog]

Re: Sharp Axes

Finals are great BAD. But there's being in finals and having any sort of shot and there's being in finals to make up the numbers.

3 of those years had us just squeaking in and being immediately exposed as unworthy of being there.

To me they aren't accomplishments to hang your hat on.

2015 - lost EF
2019 - lost EF (disgracefully)
2020 - lost EF
2022 - lost EF (disgracefully)
2023 - let’s see if we make them

Making finals in given years shouldn’t be the metric. Wining them should be. We’ve only won finals in 16 & 21.

I bet the other 10 clubs that didn't make it would love to be in our position.

You have to be good enough to make the final 8

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Sharp Axes

I bet the other 10 clubs that didn't make it would love to be in our position.

You have to be good enough to make the final 8

You may consider that satisfactory.

I just don't.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sharp Axes

I bet the other 10 clubs that didn't make it would love to be in our position.

You have to be good enough to make the final 8

I don’t see that as good. Making up the numbers just doesn’t seem to me to represent success at all.

Pretty sure 17 clubs were happy not to be us the last two finals we’ve played.

[Bornadog]

Re: Sharp Axes

You may consider that satisfactory.

I just don't.

Never satisfactory unless you win a premiership, but as you know they are hard to win

[G-Mo77]

Re: Sharp Axes

I have to totally disagree with your assessment. BMACC may have had the matra the we must win cont poss, but under Rocket we were the top 3 team in contested possession in all of the years he coached us. BMACC taught nothing new.
Under BMACC we were lucky to kick a goal - one of the worst coaches I have seen at the club, along with Rhodes, and Royce Hart.

Without BMac there is no Premiership in 2016, without Bevo there is no Premiership either. We wouldn't have had success without the other. Those horrible seasons under him developed a pretty strong willed group of players. It was hard to watch as a supporter but the pillars were starting to be built in that time.

[Rocket Science]

Re: Sharp Axes

Almost half the freakin league qualifies for finals each and every year, the bar's not that high.

Citing finals berths as testimony things are going well isn't the boast it sounds when you promptly embarrass yourselves in them.

It's more like evidence you don't belong.

[Mofra]

Re: Sharp Axes

Almost half the freakin league qualifies for finals each and every year, the bar's not that high.

Citing finals berths as testimony things are going well isn't the boast it sounds when you promptly embarrass yourselves in them.

It's more like evidence you don't belong.

What about a single coach winning 1/3rd of a team's finals in it's history?

Since 1925: 21 finals wins
Bevo: 7 finals wins

TBH I'd rather a Grand Final appearance and a Flag than having the finals wins spread out over a few years.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sharp Axes

Almost half the freakin league qualifies for finals each and every year, the bar's not that high.

Citing finals berths as testimony things are going well isn't the boast it sounds when you promptly embarrass yourselves in them.

It's more like evidence you don't belong.

Bang!

We should be citing regular finals wins and top 4 finishes as a metric of success beyond flags:

Since 2010 (14 years this year):

Last top 4: 1 (2010)
Years when Finals won: 3* (2010, 2016, 2021)

So no top 4 finish in 14 years and a finals win/s just every 5 years or so.

[Bornadog]

Re: Sharp Axes

Almost half the freakin league qualifies for finals each and every year, the bar's not that high.

You still have to make them. Rather play than not.

Citing finals berths as testimony things are going well isn't the boast it sounds when you promptly embarrass yourselves in them. It's more like evidence you don't belong.

Obviously directed at me? and no I never said things are going well, but they are not as bad as some make out on this board.

What about a single coach winning 1/3rd of a team's finals in it's history?

Since 1925: 21 finals wins
Bevo: 7 finals wins

TBH I'd rather a Grand Final appearance and a Flag than having the finals wins spread out over a few years.

But Bevo can't coach

[Rocket Science]

Re: Sharp Axes

What about a single coach winning 1/3rd of a team's finals in it's history?

If we're being brutally honest with ourselves that's as much an indictment on our past as a pat on the back for the current coach, who's done very good things it's true ... but is it enough?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sharp Axes

What about a single coach winning 1/3rd of a team's finals in it's history?

Since 1925: 21 finals wins
Bevo: 7 finals wins

TBH I'd rather a Grand Final appearance and a Flag than having the finals wins spread out over a few years.

Why is it an either/or?

That stat speaks to more of our lack of success than anything else.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Sharp Axes

Why is it an either/or?

That stat speaks to more of our lack of success than anything else.

It also highlights our somewhat failings in our other seasons under bevo. A premiership and grand final appearance is great. So are the finals appearances. But shouldn't we have done more in those appearances than some awful elimination final losses? Winning a flag and nearly getting another means we clearly had the talent. Why haven't we been able to back it up?

[Bornadog]

Re: Sharp Axes

Why is it an either/or?

That stat speaks to more of our lack of success than anything else.

Yes we haven't had success like the last 9 years -