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[bulldogtragic]

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There was something about those teams in 15/16. The tackling and never giving up was amazing. We got beaten by Adelaide only due to inexperience.

If only we could’ve shut down Betts.

[EasternWest]

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Clay Smith is the toughest player ever, would run through a brick wall for his team mates.

I still miss Clay Smith.

He was a rare breed. Put the fear of god into opposition players but wasn't dirty. My guy.

Of course, someone else was also harder than a cat's head....

[bulldogtragic]

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I still miss Clay Smith.

He was a rare breed. Put the fear of god into opposition players but wasn't dirty. My guy.

Of course, someone else was also harder than a cat's head....

Why do you turn every thread into something about Josh Schache?

[EasternWest]

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Why do you turn every thread into something about Josh Schache?

I'm talking about our Lord and saviour Jordon Sweet. He hasn't been recklessly mentioned for at least 8 posts.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'm talking about our Lord and saviour Jordon Sweet. He hasn't been recklessly mentioned for at least 8 posts.

We are saving him up for finals. A rope a dope strategy on the competition.

We should have a retro round of these… Hawthorn taking Boumann is going to embarrass this club.

[Bornadog]

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We are saving him up for finals. A rope a dope strategy on the competition.

We should have a retro round of these… Hawthorn taking Boumann is going to embarrass this club.

Comrade enters the discussion.

BTW, Where is Comrade

[anfo27]

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Anfo, I enjoy your different opinion, so no problems from me at all.

I think under Eade, we lacked a tall target to compliment the 2008 and 2009 teams. Those teams were better than the 2010 team, especially 2009. We weree only in the prelim in 2010 beacuse Hall kicked 80 odd goals that year. If only we had him the year before

However, take a look at the 2009 prelim team with names like Griffen, Boyd, Cooney, Hargrave, Cross, Higgins, Harbrow, Morris, Lake, Johnson, Gilbee, Gia, Hahn, Murphy, Aker, Ward, Minson, Eagleton, Picken and Scott Welsh and Tim Callan

That is the team that should have won the Premiership in 2009

I remember going to a sportsmans lunch at West Footscray, would have been the BMAc era I think. Rocket was the headline speaker. He said that we were after Hall the year before we did get him but the swans were asking for too much. I asked Rocket 'what specifically were the swans asking for?'. He said the swans wanted to 1st round picks for him. Steep price but I think we would of been a huge chance to win the flag if we got him earlier. Butterfly effect, we go back & make that trade & see what happens.

[anfo27]

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I still miss Clay Smith.

He was a rare breed. Put the fear of god into opposition players but wasn't dirty. My guy.

Of course, someone else was also harder than a cat's head....

I remember the elimination final against the Eagles & an Eagles defender taking a mark inside 50 & Clay just ran in to him to put some physical pressure on him. No other player in the comp would have done that. He nearly knocked himself out with that play but he was making a statement about what we were about. Clay was crazy tough. Would love to shake his hand one day.

[EasternWest]

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I remember the elimination final against the Eagles & an Eagles defender taking a mark inside 50 & Clay just ran in to him to put some physical pressure on him. No other player in the comp would have done that. He nearly knocked himself out with that play but he was making a statement about what we were about. Clay was crazy tough. Would love to shake his hand one day.

I wouldn't. He'd crush my hand.

[jeemak]

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7 finals wins in 12 years with no top 4...

A flag followed up by a loss to Melbourne in a GF a handful of years later. Pretty sure we?ve done that before?

It?s not all bad clearly. But it should?ve been a shitload better than what we?ve got to date.

Oh yes, because of that awesome list that hasn't perpetually had holes at each end of the ground or gone through a rebuild among other things ........good to see we're back here again where we think that irrespective of all of those things we should be making top four and winning every final we play in.

[bulldogtragic]

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Oh yes, because of that awesome list that hasn't perpetually had holes at each end of the ground or gone through a rebuild among other things ........good to see we're back here again where we think that irrespective of all of those things we should be making top four and winning every final we play in.

Cmon. We should’ve made top 4 a couple of times (at lest 2021) and win some more finals (2015, 2022 at least). Surely you can suggest that’s not an unreasonable expectation.

[jeemak]

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Cmon. We should’ve made top 4 a couple of times (at lest 2021) and win some more finals (2015, 2022 at least). Surely you can suggest that’s not an unreasonable expectation.

Last year was extremely disappointing, not sure about 2015.

Missing top four wasn't great in 2021, though making top four doesn't get you grand finals, just ask Melbourne in 2022 or Brisbane the last few years.

I think people here dreadfully underestimate how difficult it is to firstly make finals, let alone win one - or make top four and actually make a grand final. The competition is even across the teams, it's extremely unbalanced/ biased towards a few (that aren't us) from a fixturing perspective and it takes very little to get beaten on the day.

Just expecting top four, or finals wins just because we apparently have a magnificent midfield doesn't make any sense. Again I go back to the massive structural issues we have had over the journey, some by our own doing, others not and I think on balance or with some swings and roundabouts we've gotten a lot of value out of our club the past eight years with a lot of that value being derived from a sometimes frustrating but excellent coach.

[Sedat]

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Last year was extremely disappointing, not sure about 2015.

Missing top four wasn't great in 2021, though making top four doesn't get you grand finals, just ask Melbourne in 2022 or Brisbane the last few years.

I think people here dreadfully underestimate how difficult it is to firstly make finals, let alone win one - or make top four and actually make a grand final. The competition is even across the teams, it's extremely unbalanced/ biased towards a few (that aren't us) from a fixturing perspective and it takes very little to get beaten on the day.

Just expecting top four, or finals wins just because we apparently have a magnificent midfield doesn't make any sense. Again I go back to the massive structural issues we have had over the journey, some by our own doing, others not and I think on balance or with some swings and roundabouts we've gotten a lot of value out of our club the past eight years with a lot of that value being derived from a sometimes frustrating but excellent coach.

Agree with all of that, but senior management at the club has put it on record we are a top 4 team and in contention, and they have been repeating this ever since the 2020 EF loss to St Kilda. If they expect us to make top 4, we should expect it as well (notwithstanding the apparent deficiencies in our list that all us supporter nuffies have seemed to notice).

If we fall short of senior management expectations, there needs to be accountability.

[jeemak]

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A bit light on for traffic around here. Figured I'd bump this one to make sure we're all still aligned on whether the coach is responsible for all outcomes on field.

[JanLorMill]

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A bit light on for traffic around here. Figured I'd bump this one to make sure we're all still aligned on whether the coach is responsible for all outcomes on field.

Good win last night but it does it change the fact that if we don’t win at least 1 final the season is a failure?