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  • Hotdog60
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2009
    • 5820

    Re: Sharp Axes

    I don't know if there's another coach out there that would do any better. You may get an quick response and finish in finals but I don't think this group has enough talent to sustain long term success.
    We need a rebuild which I think is quietly happening at the moment so I may be the odd one out but if we are rebuilding stick fat with Bevo to see what the next generation looks like but what ever happens I'm a Bulldog supporter and it's more about the club than the personnel which can change on a regular basis.
    Don't piss off old people
    The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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    • JanLorMill
      WOOF Member
      • Feb 2023
      • 1615

      Re: Sharp Axes

      It’s hard to claim we are rebuilding even quietly when we are continually picking old players and then young players in not their future role.

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      • Grantysghost
        Bouncing Strong
        • Apr 2010
        • 18854

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by Hotdog60
        I don't know if there's another coach out there that would do any better. You may get an quick response and finish in finals but I don't think this group has enough talent to sustain long term success.
        We need a rebuild which I think is quietly happening at the moment so I may be the odd one out but if we are rebuilding stick fat with Bevo to see what the next generation looks like but what ever happens I'm a Bulldog supporter and it's more about the club than the personnel which can change on a regular basis.
        Well maybe you could say that about Nathan Buckley too.
        It's hard to know, but as we saw when Bevo came in the right guy can really unite the joint.
        BT COME BACK!​

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 65958

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Originally posted by JanLorMill
          It?s hard to claim we are rebuilding even quietly when we are continually picking old players and then young players in not their future role.
          Who are the old players continually picked and who should get a game?

          We had 9 players with less than 50 games ( half the team) and only 2 with 50-100 - the cupboard is bare.

          Players not picked : Arty, Clarke, Buss, Lachie Smith, Bedendo, Cleary.

          I can argue maybe Buss should get a game, but who gets dropped? (now Keath out but has been ok) As for the others, they do not have the form to be picked.

          We are decimated with injuries which is also not helping.
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • azabob
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2008
            • 15194

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by Grantysghost
            Well maybe you could say that about Nathan Buckley too.
            It's hard to know, but as we saw when Bevo came in the right guy can really unite the joint.
            Yep. It is hard to know. I am sure clubs like Adelaide, Gold Coast, north Melbourne, Saints, Essendon, Carlton would love some coaching stability.

            The day will come when Bevo moves on and when that day happens I hope somehow we land a generational type coach but chances are that we will not.
            More of an In Bruges guy?

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            • mighty_west
              Coaching Staff
              • Feb 2008
              • 3408

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by JanLorMill
              It’s hard to claim we are rebuilding even quietly when we are continually picking old players and then young players in not their future role.
              For a start we are not in a rebuild stage, we are evolving the team to play some of the kids who are actually putting their hands up in the VFL before getting a game, again we don't want to be North and play too many kids, you still need experience in the side like the good teams and clubs with good a strong culture do, Geelong, Pies, Swans etc, they just don't play too many kids at once and bottom out, they take dips but come back up just as fast.

              Yeah sure playing Keath for instance was seen as going backwards, but what it did was give the team stability as playing both JOD and Buku down back was getting us found out, he helped straighten up our structure and puts less pressure on JOD and Freijah playing back there.

              Do we drop Jones because he's old?

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              • mjp
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7295

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by azabob
                Yep. It is hard to know. I am sure clubs like Adelaide, Gold Coast, north Melbourne, Saints, Essendon, Carlton would love some coaching stability.
                Adelaide have actually had a fair bit of stability. Nicks isn't in year 2.
                What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                • angelopetraglia
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 6774

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by mjp
                  Adelaide have actually had a fair bit of stability. Nicks isn't in year 2.
                  Nicks is the first Adelaide coach in history to survive not making the finals two years in a row.

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                  • azabob
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15194

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by mjp
                    Adelaide have actually had a fair bit of stability. Nicks isn't in year 2.
                    True, but they are cycling through coaches looking for THE ONE.

                    I will be surprised if Nicks is in the chair come 2025.
                    More of an In Bruges guy?

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                    • G-Mo77
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9873

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Bevo hacked Tom Morris' X account, give him 3 more years. Hahaha. JK.

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                      • angelopetraglia
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 6774

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by azabob
                        True, but they are cycling through coaches looking for THE ONE.

                        I will be surprised if Nicks is in the chair come 2025.
                        Yes. It depends on the view they take.

                        Damien Hardwick coached Richmond for seven seasons without winning a final. Then they won three flags in four years.

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                        • JanLorMill
                          WOOF Member
                          • Feb 2023
                          • 1615

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Who are the old players continually picked and who should get a game?

                          We had 9 players with less than 50 games ( half the team) and only 2 with 50-100 - the cupboard is bare.

                          Players not picked : Arty, Clarke, Buss, Lachie Smith, Bedendo, Cleary.

                          I can argue maybe Buss should get a game, but who gets dropped? (now Keath out but has been ok) As for the others, they do not have the form to be picked.

                          We are decimated with injuries which is also not helping.
                          Dureya and Keith are the obvious ones. If we were rebuilding even quietly they wouldn’t be playing. Never said they aren’t good enough but they aren’t the future . Garcia hardly been tested midfield. Jod in the forward line, khamis back forward.
                          Obviously we are challenging not rebuilding.
                          I understand we are stuck have to try make the 8 and probably not good enough.

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                          • Bullies
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 1807

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by JanLorMill
                            Dureya and Keith are the obvious ones. If we were rebuilding even quietly they wouldn’t be playing. Never said they aren’t good enough but they aren’t the future . Garcia hardly been tested midfield. Jod in the forward line, khamis back forward.
                            Obviously we are challenging not rebuilding.
                            I understand we are stuck have to try make the 8 and probably not good enough.
                            Duryea deserves his spot in the team. He also has the Leadership role down back. No one has put their hand up to take his spot.

                            Keath was on the list as insurance this year. Unfortunately Buku wasn't able to hold his spot and is still a long way off. Gardner also being injured.

                            Ideally if we had the full list JOD would be the swingman but it is horses for courses at the moment. A number of the more senior guys would also not be in the team due to their pace or more importantly lack of pace.

                            You can see what Bevo is trying to do and that is put pace on the game. At the minute the cupboard is bare and there are more senior guys who would not be playing if we had a full list to pick from. You would not be playing Libba, Macrae, Daniel, Sanders and MacNeill in the same side.

                            Once the side is settled i think you will find Garcia getting more mid time but at the moment he is needed in other roles.

                            I'm now glass half full in what Bevo is doing. I also think the younger guys will be better once we get our list back as they will have better footballers around them and less of the responsibility.

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                            • ledge
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 14087

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Busslinger is a certainty now to play against Freo
                              Bring back the biff

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 65958

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by JanLorMill
                                Dureya and Keith are the obvious ones. If we were rebuilding even quietly they wouldn’t be playing. Never said they aren’t good enough but they aren’t the future . Garcia hardly been tested midfield. Jod in the forward line, khamis back forward.
                                Obviously we are challenging not rebuilding.
                                I understand we are stuck have to try make the 8 and probably not good enough.
                                Who should get a game from the current VFL team to replace the older players?

                                We don't have the cattle
                                FFC: Established 1883

                                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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