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  • jazzadogs
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Oct 2008
    • 5649

    Pick 4 - what's the right price?

    I think this deserves it's own thread. Bulldogtragic has outlined plenty of scenarios around pick 4, but with the news yesterday that our offer will include 10, 17/Brisbane's 1st AND our future first which could be anywhere from 3 to 18...what do you think is the correct price for pick 4?

    Do you want pick 4 (+ Croft, because I don't think we do the trade if Croft isn't coming)?

    What value do you need coming back if the future first is involved, for you to see the trade as win-win?
  • Go_Dogs
    Hall of Fame
    • Jan 2007
    • 10162

    #2
    Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

    I wouldn’t want to trade next years first out to get what will be pick 6 in this draft noting the players we probably most need in that very early range will be gone.

    Our first and Brisbane’s, sure.
    Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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    • jazzadogs
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Oct 2008
      • 5649

      #3
      Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

      Originally posted by Go_Dogs
      I wouldn’t want to trade next years first out to get what will be pick 6 in this draft noting the players we probably most need in that very early range will be gone.

      Our first and Brisbane’s, sure.
      What about if someone like Elijah Hollands came back as well?

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      • bulldogsthru&thru
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • May 2011
        • 7700

        #4
        Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

        Don't want to be trading next year's 1st. Even if that involves someone like Hollands. 10 and 17 (which most likely becomes 10 and 119 after all the draft tampering) is enough.

        I'm running out of steam on this one. The compromising of the draft is just killing my interest in the draft as a whole. There won't be much left to enjoy once the AFEL is done with their shenanigans.

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        • Stevo
          Senior Player
          • May 2008
          • 1040

          #5
          Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

          Originally posted by jazzadogs
          What about if someone like Elijah Hollands came back as well?
          I could live with that. Not ideal but if it means we bring in a few good players we should consider it.

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 18972

            #6
            Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

            Would have to be a player that would instantly fill a void.

            If it was 10/17/f1 out
            4 and Ainsworth in that's about right to me.

            Problem is, we seem the more desperate party so GC to quote George have all the hand.
            We have no hand! I realise they need picks for Walters so hopefully we don't get shafted.
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • Grantysghost
              Bouncing Strong
              • Apr 2010
              • 18972

              #7
              Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

              Originally posted by jazzadogs
              What about if someone like Elijah Hollands came back as well?
              Yep that's about right
              BT COME BACK!​

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              • lemmon
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2008
                • 6522

                #8
                Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                Originally posted by jazzadogs
                What about if someone like Elijah Hollands came back as well?
                It's still a no for me. Hollands might be an AFL player (we haven't seen it yet), but I think Power needs to be incredibly impartial and work from the idea that we could be finishing bottom 4 next year.

                I think that future first has to be off the table.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66748

                  #9
                  Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                  Originally posted by lemmon
                  It's still a no for me. Hollands might be an AFL player (we haven't seen it yet), but I think Power needs to be incredibly impartial and work from the idea that we could be finishing bottom 4 next year.

                  I think that future first has to be off the table.
                  totally agree Lemmon
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                  • jazzadogs
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5649

                    #10
                    Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                    Originally posted by lemmon
                    It's still a no for me. Hollands might be an AFL player (we haven't seen it yet), but I think Power needs to be incredibly impartial and work from the idea that we could be finishing bottom 4 next year.

                    I think that future first has to be off the table.
                    Fwiw I agree. But Jon Ralph seems pretty confident that this is our offer and there is no way we can give up 3x picks with nothing coming back.

                    So allowing for the fact that none of us WANT to give away the F1, what would we need to get back to stop you burning down Sam Powers office?

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18972

                      #11
                      Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                      Originally posted by jazzadogs
                      Fwiw I agree. But Jon Ralph seems pretty confident that this is our offer and there is no way we can give up 3x picks with nothing coming back.

                      So allowing for the fact that none of us WANT to give away the F1, what would we need to get back to stop you burning down Sam Powers office?
                      Yeah I don't think any of us want to use that future first.
                      The tea leaves are saying they are, so to the OP I'd want a player back we could use immediately.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • Mofra
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 14962

                        #12
                        Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                        I'm thinking a little laterally - pick 10 and pick 17 for Geelong's pick 8 and a future pick (or two).
                        Gives us pick 10 or 11 after bids & compo, and the opportunity to trade back into this draft if a plyer we like is available on night 2. That's a Wilson/Windsor/Leake - all fantastic additions to our list.

                        The cost of pick 4 just seems too high, especially if North get pick 11 as a PP to add to any potential package with pick 14 to Gold Coast. We'd be adding a high future pick to any potential deal.
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                        • Axe Man
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 11186

                          #13
                          Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                          Originally posted by Grantysghost
                          Yeah I don't think any of us want to use that future first.
                          The tea leaves are saying they are, so to the OP I'd want a player back we could use immediately.
                          Fine, Rowell or Noah Anderson then.

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18972

                            #14
                            Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                            Originally posted by Axe Man
                            Fine, Rowell or Noah Anderson then.
                            Anyone else like Ainsworth? Small forward, tough, skilled...
                            Not sure he's a crumber persay but I really rate his output.
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • DOG GOD
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 6548

                              #15
                              Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

                              10 and 17 for 4, or forget it.
                              I will never see #16 the same!!

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