Pick 4 - what's the right price?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

As posted in the other thread, we will sell the deal to fans that the three thirds is equal in points to an early 20’s pick coming back.

I think we got tunnel vision.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

OK I do not mean to be facetious or defensive of the club with the following but...those who are absolutely against the trade, are you in effectively saying you think you know better in this instance than Power? I sincerely am interested.

I think the trade looks excessive, however also open to pick 4 looking an elite prospect and 10 + 17 relatively weak. If we did this in 2014, I would have thought it looked excessive but we got Bont at 4. Nathan Freeman went 10 and Apeness 17. I know an exceptional circumstance, but we kill that part.

Again, I am very wary of the trade however I really struggle with absoluteness. If Power, Bevo, Grant et al know less than us, we are basically ****ed.

[Testekill]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

Whatever the price is, what we're getting back certainly isn't worth it.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

Whatever the price is, what we're getting back certainly isn't worth it.

I like your contributions so interested in response to this. If 100% view this as wrong, do you think Power and our brains trust involved in this need to go?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

OK I do not mean to be facetious or defensive of the club with the following but...those who are absolutely against the trade, are you in effectively saying you think you know better in this instance than Power? I sincerely am interested.

I think the trade looks excessive, however also open to pick 4 looking an elite prospect and 10 + 17 relatively weak. If we did this in 2014, I would have thought it looked excessive but we got Bont at 4. Nathan Freeman went 10 and Apeness 17. I know an exceptional circumstance, but we kill that part.

Again, I am very wary of the trade however I really struggle with absoluteness. If Power, Bevo, Grant et al know less than us, we are basically ****ed.

I don’t think it’s about knowing better. You can agree or disagree with the price we will pay. I’m not in favour of such a high price.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

OK I do not mean to be facetious or defensive of the club with the following but...those who are absolutely against the trade, are you in effectively saying you think you know better in this instance than Power? I sincerely am interested.

I think the trade looks excessive, however also open to pick 4 looking an elite prospect and 10 + 17 relatively weak. If we did this in 2014, I would have thought it looked excessive but we got Bont at 4. Nathan Freeman went 10 and Apeness 17. I know an exceptional circumstance, but we kill that part.

Again, I am very wary of the trade however I really struggle with absoluteness. If Power, Bevo, Grant et al know less than us, we are basically ****ed.

It's the F1 and the real possibility it could be a top 10 pick that everyone is against.

We're also selling all that for a non midfielder.

Of course I don't think I know more than Power. I'd prefer we go for Geelongs pick 7 if it means we only give up 10 and 17. Otherwise hold the picks and hope Croft is bid on after our first live pick. If he is, we pass.

[hujsh]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

OK I do not mean to be facetious or defensive of the club with the following but...those who are absolutely against the trade, are you in effectively saying you think you know better in this instance than Power? I sincerely am interested.

I think the trade looks excessive, however also open to pick 4 looking an elite prospect and 10 + 17 relatively weak. If we did this in 2014, I would have thought it looked excessive but we got Bont at 4. Nathan Freeman went 10 and Apeness 17. I know an exceptional circumstance, but we kill that part.

Again, I am very wary of the trade however I really struggle with absoluteness. If Power, Bevo, Grant et al know less than us, we are basically ****ed.

The future first is the hard to swallow part. If it was a future second I wouldn't be against it but if we play next year the way we finished this year pick 4-7 could well be what we're trading here. The club is gambling super hard on shooting up the ladder but they've expected us to be top 4 the last 2 years and failed badly so I don't trust their judgement TBH. Maybe Sam has been told to treat future picks as if we finish top 6. If so it explains why he's made such a bad deal.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

We would need to understand the overall list strategy to form a better opinion.

Every chance we have made a calculated decision to get X amount of elite talent into the club. The only way to do this is with early picks (typically).

As we've seen with Marra/Darcy, the by-product of doing that is depth. It's always easier to address the latter than the former.

Perhaps we see next year as the start of being able to improve our depth through the draft.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

The future first is the hard to swallow part. If it was a future second I wouldn't be against it but if we play next year the way we finished this year pick 4-7 could well be what we're trading here. The club is gambling super hard on shooting up the ladder but they've expected us to be top 4 the last 2 years and failed badly so I don't trust their judgement TBH. Maybe Sam has been told to treat future picks as if we finish top 6. If so it explains why he's made such a bad deal.

Gambling is it in a nutshell. Our firm line is not giving me the confidence to gamble with our most valuable asset of 2024. (Currently)

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

Sorry I am truly not intending to have a go. Maybe Power and co. are inept.

My thing is fans seemingly believe this is objectively incorrect. How are our feels with keeping Power and co. if they are making objectively incorrect calls?

[lemmon]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

OK I do not mean to be facetious or defensive of the club with the following but...those who are absolutely against the trade, are you in effectively saying you think you know better in this instance than Power? I sincerely am interested.

How do you feel about questioning coaching decisions? Bevo would have more footy knowledge in his little finger than I'd accrue in a lifetime but I'm still pretty confident playing JOD forward wasn't in anyone's best interests.

I don't think there's any problem with fans having opinions about decisions being made by the club, simply because we aren't the employed experts.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

How do you feel about questioning coaching decisions? Bevo would have more footy knowledge in his little finger than I'd accrue in a lifetime but I'm still pretty confident playing JOD forward wasn't in anyone's best interests.

I don't think there's any problem with fans having opinions about decisions being made by the club, simply because we aren't the employed experts.

Totally get questioning. I am questioning Bevo and this trade as well. My thing is absoluteness and certainty in us being wrong.

And it's not a defence. It's a maybe if they are so clearly bad, we need to make a lot of sackings.

[hujsh]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

Sorry I am truly not intending to have a go. Maybe Power and co. are inept.

My thing is fans seemingly believe this is objectively incorrect. How are our feels with keeping Power and co. if they are making objectively incorrect calls?

Ultimately every deal had to go through Grant (right?) Power's job is to negotiate the best deal he can but Grant is the one who needs to say 'appreciate your work but we need to walk away from this and try something else'. Much as I love Grant he's the one that needs to go if anyone. The way the off field stuff has been run the last few years I think all signs point to him being the weakest link.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

All the noise has us making some sort of move that looks like this.

It's bad and will only look worse this time next year.

This is so bloody typical of us. Geelong get pick 7 for free last years from the suns.

One year later we're paying pick 17 plus a F1 for a 6 pick upgrade. This could realistically look like pick 10, 17 plus 2024 pick 6-10 for pick 4.

GCS had to bend over a team eventually. Why not us?

Not picking on these two. Maybe they are right.

This isn't questioning. This is we are clearly wrong. If I was this absolute, I would want Power and co. gone. And maybe they should be.

[Topdog]

Re: Pick 4 - what's the right price?

Perhaps we see next year as the start of being able to improve our depth through the draft.

Going to be hard to add depth by giving away our 1st rounder next season.