Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

[chef]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Richards, JUH, Baker, Jones, Johannison, Khamis and Dale played the whole game with 0 tackles combined. Williams, Duryea, Gallagher and English had 1 each. Thats pretty worrying.

Libba had 9 on his own.

[Danjul]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I hate honourable loss?, but I?m not upset with tonight.

We had some great players tonight, but I still see huge improvement in the team in a game we should have won.

- The defensive structure broke down at halfback 4-5 times tonight because one cog in the wheel got lost or was ball watching. These got punished by goals as Geelong are a good side. This is what happens with a new system. Bring this down to 1-2 by the end of the year and we are 3 goal better side.

- We have had some significant change in our list the last 12 months. I think we have a much deeper list than 2023. We won?t know our best mix until the second half of the year. If we can bank wins while solving some of the positional equations we are in a good spot.

- Forward line connection wasn?t good tonight (Probably wasn?t too bad until the last quarter). This has not been good since 2021 when Bruce was firing. So there are going to be big question marks on whether we can solve this problem. However I think they can get this right. I like Naughton playing up the ground and I love what Darcy can become. Probably missing quality half forwards and small forwards.

- Run off half back. We were really poor tonight running off half back compared with round 2 & 3. This was probably due to the forward weapons Geelong have in contrast to GC and West Coast. If we improve the key pillars by bringing in JOD when his right our defenders will probably be more daring as they should have more defensive trust.

- The improvement in the young players. Darcy/JUH are generational talents. As good as any prospects we have had. Sanders is a 200 game player. Gallagher is going to be a solid role player. JOD hasn?t played yet but is a talent. If we can nurse these guys through the year the team is going to be a lot better for it.

And with all these issues we got beaten by 4 points against the most professional side in the AFL while Jeremy Cameron put on a clinic.

If tonight teaches me anything it?s that we can compete and beat the best.

I saw the game quite differently. I saw a team that should have won but doesn?t know how to.

How could Cameron get 27 possessions? Because nobody tried to stop him. For much of the game he was left alone. He doesn?t try to take spectacular marks over a pack. He gets space on his side. Makes him a match winner. Why haven?t we got someone playing that way as a forward. Everything in our forward line is based upon a player outmarking seven others. Too one dimensional.

[Danjul]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Richards, JUH, Baker, Jones, Johannison, Khamis and Dale played the whole game with 0 tackles combined. Williams, Duryea, Gallagher and English had 1 each. Thats pretty worrying.

Libba had 9 on his own.

The whole point of Geelong?s game plan is to not get tackled. Get into the open, receive a relatively easy possession and move the ball forward to someone who is thinking the same way.

like speed, tackling is over rated outside of the ruck contests where the game is being restarted. There it is very important.

[whythelongface]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I saw the game quite differently. I saw a team that should have won but doesn?t know how to.

How could Cameron get 27 possessions? Because nobody tried to stop him. For much of the game he was left alone. He doesn?t try to take spectacular marks over a pack. He gets space on his side. Makes him a match winner. Why haven?t we got someone playing that way as a forward. Everything in our forward line is based upon a player outmarking seven others. Too one dimensional.

Agree that we are generally one dimensional although there was definitely some improvement last night eg Dale?s kick to leading Darcy. In saying that when we were chasing the game (towards the end) we did revert back to the one dimensional play of kicking it long - a couple of times there it nearly paid off with Bont and Naughton. We need to evolve and follow a different path.

I feel that Naughton can develop into a Cameron style of player. He is leading further up the ground, has good fitness and is mobile. It has only been in recent years that Cameron has really developed this part of his game. He showed signs at the Giants but was really their go to player. Having Hawkins has allowed him to develop into a CHF with endurance and the ability to roam the ground. With the emergence of Darcy plus Marra, Naughton can take on a similar role. We need to remember our key forwards are 24, 22 and 20 respectively in comparison to Cameron and Hawkins who are 31 and 34. Frustrating as it is to see us continually trying to take pack marks it is maturity, development and game sense that will make us play to our strengths in the future. We should take a lot from last night?s game and one of the key aspects should be how Cameron plays the game.

[Happy Days]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I missed the game but the stats would indicate we should’ve won.

So unlike us.

[Happy Days]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I saw the game quite differently. I saw a team that should have won but doesn?t know how to.

How could Cameron get 27 possessions? Because nobody tried to stop him. For much of the game he was left alone. He doesn?t try to take spectacular marks over a pack. He gets space on his side. Makes him a match winner. Why haven?t we got someone playing that way as a forward. Everything in our forward line is based upon a player outmarking seven others. Too one dimensional.

Can’t believe we didn’t think to try to stop Cameron. Are we stupid?

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Can’t believe we didn’t think to try to stop Cameron. Are we stupid?

When Cameron is up and about like that how do you stop him? He is a hybrid midfielder/forward. He has had run of games where he has basically done what he has wanted.

Why didn?t they stop Bont? Of course they had plans.

It ain?t that easy. Elite players are hard to stop.

[Happy Days]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

When Cameron is up and about like that how do you stop him? He is a hybrid midfielder/forward. He has had run of games where he has basically done what he has wanted.

Why didn?t they stop Bont? Of course they had plans.

It ain?t that easy. Elite players are hard to stop.

Reckon your sarcasm detector might be missing an aerial my man.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Reckon your sarcasm detector might be missing an aerial my man.

Was agreeing with you /)

[Happy Days]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Was agreeing with you /)

Wow Uno reversed. Congrats on agreeing with me and therefore being right though.

[whythelongface]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

When Cameron is up and about like that how do you stop him? He is a hybrid midfielder/forward. He has had run of games where he has basically done what he has wanted.

Why didn?t they stop Bont? Of course they had plans.

It ain?t that easy. Elite players are hard to stop.

It is a genuine question- how do you stop Cameron? No one on our defensive list could run with him. You need a couple of players to stop him and then you free up others from their team. It ain’t easy. If it were then other teams would have been successful in nullifying his influence. Rarely happens.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

It is a genuine question- how do you stop Cameron? No one on our defensive list could run with him. You need a couple of players to stop him and then you free up others from their team. It ain’t easy. If it were then other teams would have been successful in nullifying his influence. Rarely happens.

Cats’ coach Chris Scott said the quality of the Bulldogs’ intercept markers – Liam Jones and Buku Khamis – forced his match committee to think laterally about their forward set up. “We thought ... unless we are moving the ball really well, those [Bulldogs’ defenders] were going to be able to read it,” Scott said.

So they moved Cameron to the wing. That is why he is so hard to stop. If you stop him one way, he has another way to play the game.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Cameron going to the Wing is a bit like Bont going forward. Last week against the Eagles he goes forward and kicks three goals. The great players can play the game multiple ways.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

https://x.com/foxfooty/status/177656...y1lhUs8p7uzZ_A

1) Why was this reviewed? I thought only goals could be reviewed without an umpire request?

2) Is that enough evidence in two dimensional footage to overturn the goal umpires view in 3D at close quarters?

We seriously need answers from the AFL.

The margin is under a goal and we have this nonsense going on.

Agreed and sorry to go over this again.
As comrade mentioned we probably would have found a way to lose anyway. The guy from the ARC says the ball is controlled. If you pause the video of course it looks controlled! As you say they are also judging it from a 2d image behind a post which obviously makes the line appear wider where it was ?marked?. How can it be overuled on that evidence?

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Agreed and sorry to go over this again.
As comrade mentioned we probably would have found a way to lose anyway. The guy from the ARC says the ball is controlled. If you pause the video of course it looks controlled! As you say they are also judging it from a 2d image behind a post which obviously makes the line appear wider where it was ?marked?. How can it be overuled on that evidence?

It is ridiculous and the AFL need to come out and say it needs to be black and white for it to be overruled. You can't overrule the umpire call with a call that is in anyway contenious.

The video review was brought in originally to stop howlers like when Hawkins kicked the ball into the post in the Grand Final and it was called a goal. Not to call back points that are 50/50 marked across the line.