Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I agree with mjp that we lost it earlier in the game when they built the lead. The back to back Stengle goals late in the third which made the lead 28 points were the killers for me...even though we fought hard and finished the quarter with Bont and West goals, we had let them get too far ahead.

Can't disagree, but we were coming home like a train and with about 13 min to go and only a couple of goals in it, Geelong changed the tempo of the game and stopped our momentum for around 5 or more minutes where neither side scored. The clock ran down and we ran out of time. We should of course never had been behind by 28 points.

[merantau]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

There's been quite a lot of comment about Daniel's performance. Last week I commented that he should never be out of the side. He's gone from truffles to tripe in a week. What is his role? He is too good a footballer to be allowed to fall between the gaps.

[Uninformed]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I know. And Geelong kick 4-out-of-5 in one little period...

We kicked 2.
They kicked 2.
We kicked 1.
They kicked 2 more.

In the 3rd, they kicked 6 and we kicked 5.
We kicked 1, they kicked 3.
We kicked 1, they kicked ANOTHER 3.

We kicked 3 goals to 1 in the last q. The last q was NOT the problem. It was the goals leaked in little clusters during the 3rd q - and in particular the 2nd q - when we were on top.

The thing I think hurt us in the last quarter was Geelong using up the clock by holding possession. Is there a way to break that up more quickly?

[Uninformed]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

ok, that explains what you meant.

I think where we lost it was in the second half of the last quarter, when for 5 or more minutes, there were no scores and they denied us the ball, by chipping it around and wasting time. Those 5 minutes were vital to the outcome.

Just saw this. How do you stop it though?

[Uninformed]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

There's been quite a lot of comment about Daniel's performance. Last week I commented that he should never be out of the side. He's gone from truffles to tripe in a week. What is his role? He is too good a footballer to be allowed to fall between the gaps.

He was almost unrecognisable to the great competitor we have come to know. It may be my eyesight but I though I saw him fumble, a very slight fumble, but something I have never seen him do before.

Hopefully just an off night for him, although he did seem lacking in confidence too.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Interesting from Robbo in The Tackle. We are good at winning clearances. We are ranked #6 in the comp for clearance differential. We are not so good at defending the turnover.

Defence is King

It?s now a trend at Carlton. The Blues have lost the clearance battle in every game this year. They are the 17th worst team in clearance differential. And Geelong is 18th in clearance differential. Yet, those teams are 4-0 and have a brand that many consider to be top four worthy. While those numbers are an issue, their point of difference at Carlton and Geelong is their defence. Geelong and Carlton are No. 1 and No. 2 for defending turnover, which means that when they lose the ball they are able to defend it strongly. Coaches often tell us the turnover game is the most important factor, and to further that point, all 10 of the past premiers have been ranked in top six for points conceded from turnover. The Blues and Cats are the standouts in that profile.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Just saw this. How do you stop it though?

Go man to man

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Interesting from Robbo in The Tackle. We are good at winning clearances. We are not so good at defending the turnover.

Defence is King

It?s now a trend at Carlton. The Blues have lost the clearance battle in every game this year. They are the 17th worst team in clearance differential. And Geelong is 18th in clearance differential. Yet, those teams are 4-0 and have a brand that many consider to be top four worthy. While those numbers are an issue, their point of difference at Carlton and Geelong is their defence. Geelong and Carlton are No. 1 and No. 2 for defending turnover, which means that when they lose the ball they are able to defend it strongly. Coaches often tell us the turnover game is the most important factor, and to further that point, all 10 of the past premiers have been ranked in top six for points conceded from turnover. The Blues and Cats are the standouts in that profile.

We've been horrible at defending the turnover our entire time under Bevo post 2016.

[MrMahatma]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Interesting from Robbo in The Tackle. We are good at winning clearances. We are ranked #6 in the comp for clearance differential. We are not so good at defending the turnover.

Defence is King

It?s now a trend at Carlton. The Blues have lost the clearance battle in every game this year. They are the 17th worst team in clearance differential. And Geelong is 18th in clearance differential. Yet, those teams are 4-0 and have a brand that many consider to be top four worthy. While those numbers are an issue, their point of difference at Carlton and Geelong is their defence. Geelong and Carlton are No. 1 and No. 2 for defending turnover, which means that when they lose the ball they are able to defend it strongly. Coaches often tell us the turnover game is the most important factor, and to further that point, all 10 of the past premiers have been ranked in top six for points conceded from turnover. The Blues and Cats are the standouts in that profile.

Wouldn’t being the 17th worst make them the 2nd best?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Did the lazy high tackle free kick in the last minute with the game on the line not convince you?

Be RELIABLE!!! So frustrating. I know criticising West is akin to shooting bambi but he had two really poor efforts on the camera side in the last couple of minutes as well...the contrast between Petracca's desperation to mark the footy near the boundary on Thursday night and Rhylee letting it go out of bounds last night was stark.

Any way. We can pull the last quarter apart contest by contest but that wasn't where it was lost...pretty sure we all know that happened when we conceded 4 out of 5 goals in q2. Just such a bummer as for large parts of the game we were the better side.

Was it Buku or Dale...?

[Uninformed]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Go man to man

Any thoughts on why we didn't do that?

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Any thoughts on why we didn't do that?

Probably worried that going man on man we get exposed by individual defficiencies and an overall talent deficit.

[Uninformed]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Probably worried that going man on man we get exposed by individual defficiencies and an overall talent deficit.

Man on man seems the only way though, unless there is a systematic positioning method, but it seems hard to think what would work.

[comrade]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Interesting from Robbo in The Tackle. We are good at winning clearances. We are ranked #6 in the comp for clearance differential. We are not so good at defending the turnover.

Defence is King

It?s now a trend at Carlton. The Blues have lost the clearance battle in every game this year. They are the 17th worst team in clearance differential. And Geelong is 18th in clearance differential. Yet, those teams are 4-0 and have a brand that many consider to be top four worthy. While those numbers are an issue, their point of difference at Carlton and Geelong is their defence. Geelong and Carlton are No. 1 and No. 2 for defending turnover, which means that when they lose the ball they are able to defend it strongly. Coaches often tell us the turnover game is the most important factor, and to further that point, all 10 of the past premiers have been ranked in top six for points conceded from turnover. The Blues and Cats are the standouts in that profile.

Ewww, I agree with Robbo.

Our defensive group is so brittle (besides Jones) made even worse by our ability to defend the ground higher up (starting with the forward group).

Would it be a stretch to suggest we?re close to a bottom 4 side without Liam Jones.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Ewww, I agree with Robbo.

Our defensive group is so brittle (besides Jones) made even worse by our ability to defend the ground higher up (starting with the forward group).

Would it be a stretch to suggest we?re close to a bottom 4 side without Liam Jones.

You can look at our defence in a different way. We have the 5th least kicked against us.