If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

[LostDoggy]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Athletes versus footballers is a hot topic in other codes: the Olyroos mens under 23 team was widely criticised for having players that were athletes first and soccer players second, with limited skills and knowledge but great aerobic, speed and strength attributes. maybe we can learn from this because the Olyroos were the crappiest team at the Olympics.

The Olyroos were criticised not because they picked atheletes instead of soccer players because they bloke that picked them is an idiot and should not be near a repsresentitive side.
I've never heard the atheletes vs footballers argument in soccer.

[LostDoggy]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Should have had a bet on this old pearler to come out. What a stupid saying.

nearly as good as some of your "Lame Brain" posts!
I was looking for comment on the preceding

[Sedat]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

have a look at eagles stats for 08 specially his season highlights. they're on par with griffen

A 20 possession Griffen game is better than a 30 possession game from most other midfielders in the competition. Just wondering if you were impressed by Hodge's measly 16 possession effort on Friday night?

[Twodogs]

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Eagleton - I'm no Eagle fan but what would be gained by forcing him to retire? Pick up a kid with pick 78 and delist him after 2 years? He lives or dies next year on merit - if he deserves a game he plays, if he doesn't he plays VFL. Next year would probably see him out you would think.

Eagleton has to go from my POV. It's not just a list blance thing it's an example thing.


The coach can honestly say "I've done everything this year to find this bloke a new role and he's had chance after chance to prove himself. He offers nothing that a kid cant provide and the kid would bring other things to to the table."

The only valuable role that Eagle could provide is for us from here on is to cut his head off, stick it to a spike outside the dressing room door and put a sign saying 'SHAPE UP OR ELSE...'

[Mantis]

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Eagleton has to go from my POV. It's not just a list blance thing it's an example thing.

The coach can honestly say "I've done everything this year to find this bloke a new role and he's had chance after chance to prove himself. He offers nothing that a kid cant provide and the kid would bring other things to to the table."

The only valuable role that Eagle could provide is for us from here on is to cut his head off, stick it to a spike outside the dressing room door and put a sign saying 'SHAPE UP OR ELSE...'

You've cheered me up with those comments, thanks.

[Twodogs]

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You've cheered me up with those comments, thanks.

It's a visual image that is becoming more and more appealing to me.

[LostDoggy]

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nearly as good as some of your "Lame Brain" posts!
I was looking for comment on the preceding

Do use a favour, please highlight my lame brain posts.
I don't want to accept my own medocrity. Accepting yours already enough.

[Missing Dog]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

I judge Eagleton on how he performs in big games not on possessions which can be the most over-rated tool to use. Seriously who gives a stuff about how many cheap stats one can pick up. He was embarrassing against Hawthorn on Friday night as he was in our last final against West Coast 2 years back.

He is an experienced player who doesn't perform on the big stage. On top of that I couldn't give a stuff how he goes this week, knowing Eagleton he will come out and play a blinder, but it's probably too late knowing that Geelong lie waiting. Last Friday night's game was the most important for our club in a long time and we blew it and Eagleton's performance was one of the reasons why we did, but I admit he certainly wasn't alone.

as you said you can put hahn, johnson, murphy, aker in that category this season.

OK ignore possessions which equal griffins.

Lets get to basics: football is ultimately about creating and talking goal-scoring opportunities. eagleton has created (and taken) as many as griffen that have directly led to a goal, but griffen has had 34 more inside 50's.

griffen is a fantastic talent and his runs are great to watch, but how many times does the final pass actually lead to a goal, versus a turnover? in fact only on 31 out of 114 times that he is inside 50 does that result in a goal.

its about perception to a degree.

[Bornadog]

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i judge it on the observation that geelong players do-not just beleive they will-break more tackles, stand up better in the tackle and therefore seem to have more time to lay off a pass to a team mate which is nearly always an option.

Us:

Boyd - 184cm - 88kg 26yrs, 113 games
Cooney - 186cm - 90kg 22yrs, 110
Cross - 187cm - 86kg 25, 108
Griffen - 188cm - 86kg 22, 73
Giansiracusa - 182cm - 83kg 26, 148
Average 24.2, 110.2

Them:

Jnr - 182cm - 88kg 24yrs, 144 games
Bartel - 187cm (surprised me) - 88kg 25, 131
Corey - 191cm - 88kg 26, 174
Ling - 189cm - 94kg 27, 180
Selwood - 182cm - 83kg 20, 43
Average 24.4, 134.4
Without Sellwood the average is: 25.5, 157.3

You ahve to look at the average age and games experience as well. We are a couple of years behind Geelong in this aspect and if you look at Geelong two years ago they looked promising biut were not delivering.

If you take Sellwood out, the average games in Geelongs midfield is 157 compared to our 110. This valuable experience also helps in learning to break tackles, and general play.

[LostDoggy]

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I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading here

Eade has done an amazing job with a team that has no ff and only one kpp. The players are all introverts who withdraw when under pressure.

I rememer he said a couple of years ago, that the teams that win the Flag have been around the mark for a few years. Think Sydney, West Coast and Geelong (aside from 2006). We have made progress this year, we made the finals in 2006 won one and lost one, made top four this year, lost the first one - hopefully will win next week and play off again in a preliminary final. Next year I hope we will make further progressw.

Footscray has a history of sacking coaches - it has to stop and allow us some stability - I'm for Rocket!!!!

Excellent (and sensible) post DRB.

Rocket has done a great job with a very unbalanced team.

[Missing Dog]

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The Olyroos were criticised not because they picked atheletes instead of soccer players because they bloke that picked them is an idiot and should not be near a repsresentitive side.
I've never heard the atheletes vs footballers argument in soccer.

True Arnold should be sacked.

On the SBS soccer site The World Game Forum it was a heated topic: the olyroos had a few too many tall strong athletic but skilless players selected at the expense of some very talented, skillfull but not as well built players. One POV was that Messi wouldn't get selected in the Aus team based on these criteria.

[Mantis]

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True Arnold should be sacked.

On the SBS soccer site The World Game Forum it was a heated topic: the olyroos had a few too many tall strong athletic but skilless players selected at the expense of some very talented, skillfull but not as well built players. One POV was that Messi wouldn't get selected in the Aus team based on these criteria.

There is a World game board for this type of discussion.

[LostDoggy]

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True Arnold should be sacked.

On the SBS soccer site The World Game Forum it was a heated topic: the olyroos had a few too many tall strong athletic but skilless players selected at the expense of some very talented, skillfull but not as well built players. One POV was that Messi wouldn't get selected in the Aus team based on these criteria.

Who knows whats in Arnold's head? He still hasn't fronted the media after the Olympics.
If the mad man had a theory its was sure to be wrong.
Thats the first I've heard of athlete vs footballer theory in soccer.
They left out Djite who is tall and athletic and Burns who is a very quick.
I suppose they replacement were less skilled cos they were duds.

Sorry should be on the other board

[westdog54]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

as you said you can put hahn, johnson, murphy, aker in that category this season.

OK ignore possessions which equal griffins.

Lets get to basics: football is ultimately about creating and talking goal-scoring opportunities. eagleton has created (and taken) as many as griffen that have directly led to a goal, but griffen has had 34 more inside 50's.

griffen is a fantastic talent and his runs are great to watch, but how many times does the final pass actually lead to a goal, versus a turnover? in fact only on 31 out of 114 times that he is inside 50 does that result in a goal.

its about perception to a degree.

You're right, to a degree, but football is about both attacking and defending. Griffen does both, Eagle does one.