Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

[GVGjr]

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Including the board who were seduced enough to award him the coveted #3 jumper.

As you know I have always been a big believer that the jumper should be retired for a season for any player who reaches 250 games for the club.
Would we have given Everitt the number three 12 months later?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Fair enough Jim. When you name me the last time a Bulldogs tall forward accidentally kicked 5 I will with you all the way. 5 goals don't just happen...The kid played OK that day, but it was 2 long years ago, as has been noted Hawthorn only had 35 inside 50's (so midfield pressure was extreme) and his opponent still - cut it however you like - kicked 5 goals.

I get your point, but Loaf kicked 5 in the 98 Qualifying v West Coast, that's as close as you will get.

Some 5 goals games aren't as good as other 5 goal games.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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As you know I have always been a big believer that the jumper should be retired for a season for any player who reaches 250 games for the club.
Would we have given Everitt the number three 12 months later?

Agree with this.

Found it a little premature at the time, but hopefully Everitt can begin to show the signs he did earlier in his career. He's got a lot of talent and I was very happy we were able to keep him on our list after last year's trading period.

[ledge]

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Everitt is a good player, we just need to find the right spot for him, floating forward from the wing is my opinion, now we have Hall who can decoy if need be leaving Everitt with his height and speed to float in around the back.
Hill plays this part well too but i like Hill on a forward flank on one side and Everitt the winger on the other side.
Everitt to take over from Eagle next year.

[Dazza]

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Skipper kicked 5 once didn't he?

At games who do you think cops the most flak? I've heard Addison receive a hell of alot of it. From opposition supporters it seems Aker and Johnson cop it a bit.

[Before I Die]

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Fair enough. I don't visit the other site but don't feel he is criticised on this site at all...certainly any negative comment about him (like my one on this thread) is jumped on by other posters defending him...contrast when Eagleton is criticised it is met with a cacophony of support!

I didn't quote it, but high draft picks should be judged more harshly...isn't that the nature of being a highly sought after recruit?

mjp, you are without doubt one of the most knowledgeable (football wise) posters on this forum, but this statement is rubbish.

Why should they be judged more harshly? Because the recruiters can't do their job? Because supporters have unreasonable expectations? The players don't decide where they are drafted, that is the job of the recruiters. All the players can do is display a good attitude and train hard.

Everitt had a poor training attitude last season and it cost him senior games. For this he deserved criticism. Apparently Williams has an excellent attitude but is injury prone. When fit he gets picked. He is nowhere near a dominant player at this stage of his career, but has given every indication that he could be if he can stay fit and get game experience.

[ledge]

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Skipper kicked 5 once didn't he?

At games who do you think cops the most flak? I've heard Addison receive a hell of alot of it. From opposition supporters it seems Aker and Johnson cop it a bit.

Eagleton is probably the biggest by our own supporters but they tend to love it when he comes good in tight moments, which he has a knack of doing.

As long as opposition are bagging our players its awesome, means they are pestering their team and playing well.

Johhnno and Aker have done it for years, means they are sick of the sight of them beating their team.

[Dazza]

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To be honest I've only noticed the Eagleton bagging online.

[mjp]

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mjp, you are without doubt one of the most knowledgeable (football wise) posters on this forum, but this statement is rubbish.

Why should they be judged more harshly? Because the recruiters can't do their job? Because supporters have unreasonable expectations? The players don't decide where they are drafted, that is the job of the recruiters. All the players can do is display a good attitude and train hard.

Huh?

Go through recent draft history and look at the success rates of first rounders vs second/third/fourth and so on. First round picks are - competition wide - more likely to succeed...and therefore they are under more pressure/scrutiny to perform than later picks....they just are.

I had two draftees last year - one in the first couple, another went middle of the 2nd round...I can tell you right now which player the supporters are pinning their hopes on, who is on the back page of the paper etc...it creates excitement around the club and community and pressure on the player. If he struggles, he is going to be judged against ALL of these factors, there will be the 'we could have had "player x" ' laments from the supporters etc...

I get it when you say 'everyone is equal' and dont judge them based on perception or whatever...but that isn't realistic. I will give Shane Thorne a free pass...he was a late pick who we took a flyer on. I wont do that for Christian Howard. He is the one who MUST come through from the 2009 draft class and he will be assessed accordingly.

[Before I Die]

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I get it when you say 'everyone is equal' and dont judge them based on perception or whatever...but that isn't realistic. I will give Shane Thorne a free pass...he was a late pick who we took a flyer on. I wont do that for Christian Howard. He is the one who MUST come through from the 2009 draft class and he will be assessed accordingly.

Do you mean Howard himself, or his selection by Dalrymple?

Surely it is Dalrymple's ability as a recruiter that should be questioned if Howard fails, not Howard himself, unless the failure is due to lack of application. If Dalrymple hadn't picked Howard so early he may have fallen through to be a later pick than Thorne for another club. In that case, your argument would dictate that he should be under less scrutiny then Thorne.

Seems just a tad unfair and harsh to me that Howard should cop the flack for something which he had no control over.

[Missing Dog]

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I guess these are the realities and pressures of being taken higher in the draft, you only need to look at the number 1 picks of years gone and see how heavily they are scrutinized. Rightly or wrongly these are the expectations placed on them from the football public and from a recruiters point of view, how the player is likely to react and handle that pressure is also taken into consideration.

Yes the recruiter will make the decision but it is the player drafted that will shoulder the burden of expectation.

[mjp]

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Seems just a tad unfair and harsh to me that Howard should cop the flack for something which he had no control over.

Yep. It is unfair and harsh. And he was pick 15.

Imagine what expectation the first draft pick is under? Remember the flack Adam Cooney copped in year 1 for being overweight and inconsistent and what not - playing in a terrible (and selfish) team, losing every week, coach under pressure etc.

This is just the way it is. Williams was pick 6 and Everitt pick 10'ish (11?) - we need them both to come through and perform and this year would be excellent.

As for recruiters, if they miss on top 10 selections, they very quickly find themselves without jobs.

[Mofra]

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Everitt was a pick 11 as was Higgins - Everitt I believe has come under scrutiny since the start of his second season when it became fairly clear he was not going to become a CHB as touted, and a player picked a couple of spots after him (Riewoldt) was starting to become quite handy for the Tiges.

[mighty_west]

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Everitt was a pick 11 as was Higgins - Everitt I believe has come under scrutiny since the start of his second season when it became fairly clear he was not going to become a CHB as touted, and a player picked a couple of spots after him (Riewoldt) was starting to become quite handy for the Tiges.

Everitt himself has probably come under scrutiny more so for his lack of intensity levels, and seemingly just coasting along whilst others are busting their guys everytime they run out on the track, and that's fair enough in my books.

I think you hit the nail there with players being scrutinised more so for being selected ahead of other players who have showed more, Fiora & Pavlich, Tambling & Buddy [both Richmond, don't ya love it..], rather than being select as first round picks as such.