Schadenfreude anyone?

[alwaysadog]

Re: Schadenfreude anyone?

He signed a contract and then did SFA except sit back with his hand out. Spent two years(of a three year deal) bitching and moaning about how unfair it was that he ended up with us-if he didnt want to come to us then maybe he shouldnt have signed the contract with us well before draft day.

He had options he could have explored, but apparantly even though our money was the same colour as anyone else's, he didnt have to make the same effort to earn it.

Yep maybe we didnt do everything to the 100% spirit of the law but we werent the bad guys we have been made out to be and Jayde certainly isnt the rosy smelling hard done by type he's making out to be.

Twodogs I think you are closer to the truth on this matter than most of the other comments.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing, it’s never wrong. What’s more everything changes once you know the outcome. So it’s really easy to sit back now and say this and that for a fact, based on the grossest of generalizations, when there was contradictory evidence at the time.

Yes it’s true that there were those at Hawthorn who thought his knees were never going to stand up for too much longer and there were those who didn’t want him to leave. It’s also true that we had our medical people have a careful look at said joints and they said they were ok. Equally there was some talk of him wanting to go the North but after we wooed him he was effusive in his praise of the club and gave the strong impression that he was going to be a dog for the rest of his life, pun intended.

It was only when the whole thing unraveled that we witnessed the resurfacing of the I never wanted to be here in the first place rationalization, or it’s everybody’s fault but mine that things haven’t worked out. We are usually very quick to see through this form of self justification; I can’t work out why this episode escapes the same attention.

I don’t understand why there are those who constantly criticize our club officials when they are able occasionally, and it is very occasionally, to make them work for us. Is there anyone who really thinks they would have done the right thing by going for anyone but the player they considered to be the best available? We didn’t and never have made the rules, if you put yourself in the draft then it’s open season.

I’m not defending the decision to recruit Jade but I’ve got a better memory for how popular the decision was at the time. In fact after his first game I thought instant beatification if not canonisation was proposed. What I can’t stand is those people who just bag the episode but don’t pull it apart and ask what actually went wrong and what do we need to avoid in future, because if my mail is right we were very close to recruiting the Swans BBB in the very recent past. Would that have been a repetition of the same mistake?

[alwaysadog]

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I would certainly not brush aside the word of Chris Grant, one of my favourite players of all time and a seemingly top bloke. The reality is though that there are not too many coaches going around that are liked by every player on their list, I am sure if we asked Jordan McMahon or Farren Ray they may say that they were not fans of rockets. Whether that be a personality, differing opinions, not getting played, etc etc. But a coach is not trying to win a popularity contest, obviously if they can be successful and liked that is a huge bonus, but at the end of the day they have a job to do and sometimes toes will get stepped on.

Let me make this clear, I am neither here nor there on Terry Wallace. I have no real like or dislike for the bloke. I do understand the animosity, but you don't need to be Dr. Phil to know that with any jilted relationship comes the potential for bitterness to simmer long after the house and furniture have been divided up.

However I believe there comes a time when one needs to move on with their lives and stop taking pleasure out of the misfortunes of others. It is really easy to look at the lousy things the bloke has been responsible for, but I bet there was a time when everyone on this forum thought the man was great and brilliant for our footy club.

The facts are that he was a passionate member of our club at one point in time and he did do a very good job for most of his time here. "Leaving the list in shambles" may be a reflection on his poor ability to draft but certainly not on his ability to coach and I would suggest that the "list being in shambles" would certainly have something to do with a team of people, not just the coach.

It is the widely held belief that this footy club were one bad quarter away from winning a premiership after finishing 15th the previous year. If one clears the fog of contempt away from their eyes for a moment a realisation that if achieved it would have gone down as one of the most amazing turnarounds and a Disney movie about Terrys amazing coaching feat and his against the odds team would be on the cards. Malcolm Blight ended up being a messiah in Adelaide, it could have easily been Terry in Footscray.

So yes, there has been a lingering issue with this footy club and his Walletness. But footy clubs screw people over and people screw footy clubs over. As people have admitted we have not been guiltfree. But seven years later I would rather be the sort of guy that reflects on the positives and wishes their former partner well and moves on, rather than the soapy embittered type who sits round hoping all their future pursuits are disasters.

"Until next time, take care of yourselves... and each other"

P.S. Terrys coaching record at the Bulldogs:
1996- 15th (took over midyear)
1997- 3rd (Prelim Exit)
1998- 2nd (Prelim Exit)
1999- 4th (Semi Exit)
2000- 7th (Elim. Final Exit)
2001- 10th
2002- 12th (Wallace left before the last game)

A terrific post in most ways, The Adelaide Connection, not sure about the point you are making with Grant - Wallace connection. Chris Grant's was a far more important opinion than those of the other two players you mention, and we had been finalists in three of the four years before the 1996 debacle.

Yes things hurt for a time when they go wrong, in football and life, but there's no sense in taking delight in rubbing salt into the wounds.

The first thing is to try to get past the self justification response so you can identify and learn from your mistakes and not repeat them and the second is to move on.

By the way Wallace was a very good player for our club as well and has the odd club B & F to add to his, what was it 17 years service to the club?

Was Wallace perfect? Certainly not.
Did he have a big ego? Certainly seemed to.
Did he try his hardest to contribute to the club? Certainly did.
Did we look forward to going to games under his regime? For the most part a strong yes.
Did he exit in an appropriate manner? Certainly not.

Ledger about even!

[alwaysadog]

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I would certainly not brush aside the word of Chris Grant, one of my favourite players of all time and a seemingly top bloke. The reality is though that there are not too many coaches going around that are liked by every player on their list, I am sure if we asked Jordan McMahon or Farren Ray they may say that they were not fans of rockets. Whether that be a personality, differing opinions, not getting played, etc etc. But a coach is not trying to win a popularity contest, obviously if they can be successful and liked that is a huge bonus, but at the end of the day they have a job to do and sometimes toes will get stepped on.

Let me make this clear, I am neither here nor there on Terry Wallace. I have no real like or dislike for the bloke. I do understand the animosity, but you don't need to be Dr. Phil to know that with any jilted relationship comes the potential for bitterness to simmer long after the house and furniture have been divided up.

However I believe there comes a time when one needs to move on with their lives and stop taking pleasure out of the misfortunes of others. It is really easy to look at the lousy things the bloke has been responsible for, but I bet there was a time when everyone on this forum thought the man was great and brilliant for our footy club.

The facts are that he was a passionate member of our club at one point in time and he did do a very good job for most of his time here. "Leaving the list in shambles" may be a reflection on his poor ability to draft but certainly not on his ability to coach and I would suggest that the "list being in shambles" would certainly have something to do with a team of people, not just the coach.

It is the widely held belief that this footy club were one bad quarter away from winning a premiership after finishing 15th the previous year. If one clears the fog of contempt away from their eyes for a moment a realisation that if achieved it would have gone down as one of the most amazing turnarounds and a Disney movie about Terrys amazing coaching feat and his against the odds team would be on the cards. Malcolm Blight ended up being a messiah in Adelaide, it could have easily been Terry in Footscray.

So yes, there has been a lingering issue with this footy club and his Walletness. But footy clubs screw people over and people screw footy clubs over. As people have admitted we have not been guiltfree. But seven years later I would rather be the sort of guy that reflects on the positives and wishes their former partner well and moves on, rather than the soapy embittered type who sits round hoping all their future pursuits are disasters.

"Until next time, take care of yourselves... and each other"

P.S. Terrys coaching record at the Bulldogs:
1996- 15th (took over midyear)
1997- 3rd (Prelim Exit)
1998- 2nd (Prelim Exit)
1999- 4th (Semi Exit)
2000- 7th (Elim. Final Exit)
2001- 10th
2002- 12th (Wallace left before the last game)

A terrific post in most ways, The Adelaide Connection, not sure about the Grant - Wallace connection and we had been finalists in three of the four years before the 1996 debacle.

Yes things hurt for a time when they go wrong, in football and life, but there's no sense in taking delight in rubbing salt into the wounds.

The first thing is to try to get past the self justification response so you can identify and learn from your mistakes and not repeat them and the second is to move on.

By the way Wallace was a very good player for our club as well and has the odd club B & F to add to his, what was it 17 years service to the club?

Was Wallace perfect? Certainly not.
Did he have a big ego? Certainly seemed to.
Did he try his hardest to contribute to the club? Certainly did.
Did we look forward to going to games under his regime? For the most part a strong yes.
Did he exit in an appropriate manner? Certainly not.

Ledger about even!

[LostDoggy]

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A terrific post in most ways, The Adelaide Connection, not sure about the Grant - Wallace connection and we had been finalists in three of the four years before the 1996 debacle.

Yes things hurt for a time when they go wrong, in football and life, but there's no sense in taking delight in rubbing salt into the wounds.

The first thing is to try to get past the self justification response so you can identify and learn from your mistakes and not repeat them and the second is to move on.
By the way Wallace was a very good player for our club as well and has the odd club B & F to add to his, what was it 17 years service to the club?

Was Wallace perfect? Certainly not.
Did he have a big ego? Certainly seemed to.
Did he try his hardest to contribute to the club? Certainly did.
Did we look forward to going to games under his regime? For the most part a strong yes.
Did he exit in an appropriate manner? Certainly not.

Ledger about even!

Well said AlwaysADog - so true. Having said that, I for one, do have trouble giving the guy too much credit, maybe I needed to hear what you had to say to try and let it go

[LostDoggy]

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Brisbane and Adelaide didn't have the same feelings as you guys seem to have with the draft period and allowed Aker and Welsh / Hudson (forget which one) to come to the club of their choice. They could have refused to trade but they didn't. They did what was right by the player.

Hudson and Aker. Thats 2 out of plenty that end up at the club of choice.
Welsh went in the preseason draft and he didn't want to leave.

[alwaysadog]

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Brisbane and Adelaide didn't have the same feelings as you guys seem to have with the draft period and allowed Aker and Welsh / Hudson (forget which one) to come to the club of their choice. They could have refused to trade but they didn't. They did what was right by the player.

Now Topdog where did you get those glasses that are rose tinted when viewing the opposition but ones that reveal every conceivable flaw and crack when applied to our club?

I know we should never let the facts get in the way of a good argument but just indulge me. Ernie has already dealt with Adelaide , so that leaves Brissie and quite simply Acker wasn't wanted. He and the coach were conducting WW3 and they were glad to get rid of him.

In those circumstances most clubs didn't want him especially as Aker had missed a lot of time with injuries, but we put our hand up and arranged a deal .

Those are the facts I'll let you do the interpretation but I don't think the facts are consistent with your view of their benevolence.

[The Pie Man]

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Has Tredrea just ended Terry's coaching career?

I actually feel a bit for the Tigs here, they've been very good in the second half (Nahas is a little goer) Still, pretty amusing given the personalities involved

[Remi Moses]

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i think my anger and bitterness will subside when terry gets the axe. Just a sidenote how flighty are Port 5 goals up and should have won this game comfortably,regardless of yesterday's ordinary form I think we've got a better side than port.

[LostDoggy]

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Let me make this clear, I am neither here nor there on Terry Wallace. I have no real like or dislike for the bloke. I do understand the animosity, but you don't need to be Dr. Phil to know that with any jilted relationship comes the potential for bitterness to simmer long after the house and furniture have been divided up.

However I believe there comes a time when one needs to move on with their lives and stop taking pleasure out of the misfortunes of others. It is really easy to look at the lousy things the bloke has been responsible for, but I bet there was a time when everyone on this forum thought the man was great and brilliant for our footy club.

You are missing the point here AC. Of course it would be silly to hold a grudge for 7 or 8 years after the fact, and I had no ill feelings when he left (really), as it was coming anyway.. he jumped before he was pushed, essentially.

It is how he has behaved towards the Dogs AFTER he left that is despicable. In the media, he never missed an opportunity to stick the boots in, causing considerable damage to the reputation of the Dogs, and then as head coach of Richmond, oversaw a roomful of incredibly spiteful staff that sought to undermine the Dogs whenever possible by blocking trades, continually putting out scurrilous rumours to the media (providing most of your 'unnamed sources' in negative news stories about the Dogs and Rocket), destabilising players in the last year of their contracts in order to try to convince them to switch over, attempting to poach staff etc.

The first time he has even mentioned the Dogs in a positive light is in the article Bulldog Belle put up, now that his Richmond career is all but over.

Most of his depicable deeds as head of coaching at Richmond towards the Dogs is not public knowledge (and insider news probably doesn't filter down to South Australia), so it is very admirable, AC, for you not to harbour a grudge.

However, far from it being a grudge for a long-ago event, I (and most Bulldog insiders, you will find -- as I said before, search through the archives on WOOF for more info) will find it very hard to overlook his underhanded backstabbing, which was happening until very very recently, and in my opinion, far outweighs anything positive he ever did in his time as head coach at Whitten Oval.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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You are missing the point here AC. Of course it would be silly to hold a grudge for 7 or 8 years after the fact, and I had no ill feelings when he left (really), as it was coming anyway.. he jumped before he was pushed, essentially.

It is how he has behaved towards the Dogs AFTER he left that is despicable. In the media, he never missed an opportunity to stick the boots in, causing considerable damage to the reputation of the Dogs, and then as head coach of Richmond, oversaw a roomful of incredibly spiteful staff that sought to undermine the Dogs whenever possible by blocking trades, continually putting out scurrilous rumours to the media (providing most of your 'unnamed sources' in negative news stories about the Dogs and Rocket), destabilising players in the last year of their contracts in order to try to convince them to switch over, attempting to poach staff etc.

The first time he has even mentioned the Dogs in a positive light is in the article Bulldog Belle put up, now that his Richmond career is all but over.

Most of his depicable deeds as head of coaching at Richmond towards the Dogs is not public knowledge (and insider news probably doesn't filter down to South Australia), so it is very admirable, AC, for you not to harbour a grudge.

However, far from it being a grudge for a long-ago event, I (and most Bulldog insiders, you will find -- as I said before, search through the archives on WOOF for more info) will find it very hard to overlook his underhanded backstabbing, which was happening until very very recently, and in my opinion, far outweighs anything positive he ever did in his time as head coach at Whitten Oval.

I am a reasonably green forumite and you are right, nothing about these dealings have filtered through to the festival state. It certainly does change the goalposts if you have information from the inner sanctum and it sounds like those in though know such as yourself have more than a few reasons to hold a grudge.

My question would then be, are there other clubs that have been targeted by him? Or are there other clubs who do similar things? From all reports St.Kilda registered interest in Corby to make our first round pick disappear. Is it part and parcel that clubs employ a 'win at all cost' attitude? I have heard grumblings that Carlton aren't squeaky clean and Collingwood have almost a universal hatred for applying their considerable muscle to get their own way for the betterment of their club only and sometimes at the detriment of others.


Secondly, will there be a time when the Wallace issue becomes water under the bridge? For example if he were to retire from coaching etc do we put his aggression down to trying to gain an edge and focus back on his numerous achievements wearing our colours and serving our club? I know this is not clear cut, similar to the Carey soap opera, but it would be interesting to see what people think.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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A terrific post in most ways, The Adelaide Connection, not sure about the point you are making with Grant - Wallace connection.

Cheers. I was just responding to a previous poster with the bit about Grant, they had mentioned that in the end he didn't have too many good things to say about Wallace.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I am a reasonably green forumite and you are right, nothing about these dealings have filtered through to the festival state. It certainly does change the goalposts if you have information from the inner sanctum and it sounds like those in though know such as yourself have more than a few reasons to hold a grudge.

My question would then be, are there other clubs that have been targeted by him? Or are there other clubs who do similar things? From all reports St.Kilda registered interest in Corby to make our first round pick disappear. Is it part and parcel that clubs employ a 'win at all cost' attitude? I have heard grumblings that Carlton aren't squeaky clean and Collingwood have almost a universal hatred for applying their considerable muscle to get their own way for the betterment of their club only and sometimes at the detriment of others.

Don't pay any attention to the St. Kilda/Cordy thing. There were a few clubs keen on him and we were never going to get away with a 2nd rounder. St. KIlda just formalised it.

If you remember a while back there were a number of rumours around about our club - Eade and Rose supposedly not speaking was one. They were all bollocks and came from within Punt Rd. Mark Armstrong being the more likely source than Terry Wallace, I have been led to believe.

[azabob]

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Don't pay any attention to the St. Kilda/Cordy thing. There were a few clubs keen on him and we were never going to get away with a 2nd rounder. St. KIlda just formalised it.

If you remember a while back there were a number of rumours around about our club - Eade and Rose supposedly not speaking was one. They were all bollocks and came from within Punt Rd. Mark Armstrong being the more likely source than Terry Wallace, I have been led to believe.

SS I think you mean Paul Armstrong? Wonder why Wallace took him with him? Wasn't Armstrong at Geelong and now they are doing well off field, now we are doing well off field? He never filled me with much confidence, from what i saw from him in public anyhow.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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SS I think you mean Paul Armstrong? Wonder why Wallace took him with him? Wasn't Armstrong at Geelong and now they are doing well off field, now we are doing well off field? He never filled me with much confidence, from what i saw from him in public anyhow.

Yeah, my bad. Paul Armstrong.

[Rocket Science]

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Has Tredrea just ended Terry's coaching career?

No silly, it was patently MITCH MORTON's doing.

Deflecting to the bitter end.