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  • Go_Dogs
    Hall of Fame
    • Jan 2007
    • 10114

    #46
    Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

    Originally posted by Mofra
    That was a poor debut too, which is why he went back to the VFL for the rest of the year, albeit with a heightened sense of what is required to compete at the top level. He trained his arse off and reaped the rewards. Hopefully that's what happened with Stack.

    I wonder how people would rate a Gia or Eagleton if they put in the same performance.
    Would it not be fair to be more critical of seasoned players than a bloke in his first game?
    Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 44344

      #47
      Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

      Originally posted by Griffen#16
      Would it not be fair to be more critical of seasoned players than a bloke in his first game?
      Probably but I do believe there was a few people saying that it was a successful debut rather a poor to average debut.

      For the people that get to see Williamstown a bit I don't think we saw top much different from his last outing. He will be better for the experience but he hardly set the world on fire
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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14870

        #48
        Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

        Originally posted by Griffen#16
        Would it not be fair to be more critical of seasoned players than a bloke in his first game?
        I'm talking about pure performance.
        What about a Wight or Tiller, would they be given the same slack?

        Simple question, if we had 22 contributers like Stack, would we have won the game?
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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 14870

          #49
          Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          For the people that get to see Williamstown a bit I don't think we saw top much different from his last outing. He will be better for the experience but he hardly set the world on fire
          Exactly. The debut seems to be more about Stack's development than any reward for sustained form.
          It worked for Hill 2 years ago, Reid seems to be not far off, I would suggest that cue is in the rack for Stack for the remainder of 2009 & he'd be expected to froce his way into the senior line up a few more times next year.
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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15324

            #50
            Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

            Originally posted by Mofra

            Simple question, if we had 22 contributers like Stack, would we have won the game?
            I think that is a very unfair and unreasonable question to ask.

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            • Scraggers
              Premiership Moderator
              • Jun 2008
              • 3552

              #51
              Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              Probably but I do believe there was a few people saying that it was a successful debut rather a poor to average debut.

              For the people that get to see Williamstown a bit I don't think we saw top much different from his last outing. He will be better for the experience but he hardly set the world on fire
              On 6PR in Perth, Brad Hardie was raving about his game; stating that it was a great start to his career ... he also said tha tale of the tape (stats) would do him a dis-service as it was it work off the ball that was most pleasing

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              • BulldogBelle
                WOOF Member
                • Nov 2006
                • 5284

                #52
                Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                Great giving Stack and guys like O'Keefe, Grant and possibly Roughead one or two games for the season to give them a taste of what is required

                When we play against teams like Richmond, Freo, North and the Dees its a perfect opportunity to play these guys

                They will be better for the experience and we will be better for the knowledge of how they perform at the top level

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                • Mofra
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 14870

                  #53
                  Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                  Originally posted by Mantis
                  I think that is a very unfair and unreasonable question to ask.
                  I was asking someone who thought he played well. I disagree. It's a valid question to the poster I was referring to.
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                  • boydogs
                    WOOF Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5842

                    #54
                    Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                    Originally posted by Mofra
                    I was asking someone who thought he played well. I disagree. It's a valid question to the poster I was referring to.
                    You are never going to win a game with 22 debutants and that should not be a reflection on whether their debuts were a success. Having said that I didn't think Stack played well
                    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 66188

                      #55
                      Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                      Interesting the number one draft pick only had 8 disposals today. I don't know what people expect from a debut.
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                      • Mofra
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 14870

                        #56
                        Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        I don't know what people expect from a debut.
                        Might be an idea for an interesting thread in itself.

                        I'd like a kid to either fill a need for the team (Picken/Morris/Boyd style) or at least show a clean pair of hands & run to the right spots (Grant's hands were clean when he debuted at least, and he timed his first leads fairly well early in the game).

                        Having said that, we tend to have a different philosophy on some debutants, almost like a part of the development (Hill, Reid, Stack & Grant come to mind) with the impact to come after another pre-season so we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
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                        • The Adelaide Connection
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 2747

                          #57
                          Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Interesting the number one draft pick only had 8 disposals today. I don't know what people expect from a debut.
                          Exactly. It is only very rarely that a first gamer wows people and even then it is usually only one or two things they do eg they may kick a good goal.

                          I remember playing my first game in the A's for my club, it was a huge step up in terms of speed and physicality and I found it very difficult to get into the game despite playing in the midfield. I didn't even have the same sort of crowd and pressure to contend with.

                          I like the 20 game rule that has been referenced on here quite a few times. After 20 games they are fair game, criticism can flow like beer at an open bar. But till then we should reserve our judgement somewhat, not much can be taken from a first game.

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                          • The Adelaide Connection
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 2747

                            #58
                            Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                            An interesting note on debuts:

                            "Following scores of 18 and 1, the selectors dropped Bradman to twelfth man for the Second Test..."

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                            • Mantis
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 15324

                              #59
                              Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                              Originally posted by Mofra
                              I was asking someone who thought he played well. I disagree. It's a valid question to the poster I was referring to.
                              No it's not because you know the answer to the question.

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                              • Sockeye Salmon
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 6365

                                #60
                                Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                Interesting the number one draft pick only had 8 disposals today. I don't know what people expect from a debut.
                                My criticism was not about Stacks performance (which was about what I expected); my criticism was people taliking it up into something it clearly wasn't.

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