Ins and Outs - Second Final

[Mofra]

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Could Bou get the nod for team balance?

Massive call for a kid with 8-10 senior VFL games under his belt to debut in a do or die final. I really like the kid but not sure he's ready yet.

[BulldogBelle]

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Out
Hill


In
Everitt


Everitt showed a hell of lot more intensity against the Pies than Hill has shown all month
Everitt is flexible enough to play in the backline if needed
Everitt will take either the number 1 of number 2 defender with his height, ths freeing up Welsh, Johno and Hahn
Hill's decision making is suspect at present
Hill's presure isnt enough, he isnt holding down his tackles


I like Callan, but I think Picken is more versatile, would prefer to keep Picken in the side

[Missing Dog]

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A half fit Gia won't. He has to be dropped, no ifs, buts, maybes.

On what I saw yesterday I would be happy for Stack to play this week in place of Gia.

Based on this quote from todays Herald Sun, Gia's will be playing this week

Eade defended forward Daniel Giansiracusa, who was brilliant in his return from a knee injury in Round 21, but has been quiet in the past fortnight.

"With Gia, 50 per cent of his ball use resulted in a goal. That's a very high percentage,' Eade said.

"He just needs to get a bit more of it. It might be a case of getting used to the speed of the game again after some time out. He is a quality player so we have no doubt that he will be able to play well for us."

[Ozza]

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Very happy with Eade's comments above. When Gia gets the ball - we are a chance of getting a goal. Thats always been the case, and you need players with his smarts in the side always.

[Mantis]

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Based on this quote from todays Herald Sun, Gia's will be playing this week

Eade defended forward Daniel Giansiracusa, who was brilliant in his return from a knee injury in Round 21, but has been quiet in the past fortnight.

"With Gia, 50 per cent of his ball use resulted in a goal. That's a very high percentage,' Eade said.

"He just needs to get a bit more of it. It might be a case of getting used to the speed of the game again after some time out. He is a quality player so we have no doubt that he will be able to play well for us."

That all reads well and is correct, but 14 touches isn't enough from Gia. He has to get 20-25 to become a real factor.

My other concern is when he hasn't got the ball - his defensive pressure is/ was non-existent, but he wasn't alone.

[LostDoggy]

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Why is everybody want to sack proven players for
Stack... one good game then all at sea the next... and you want to put him in a final
Everitt... one good game after being bagged on this forum all year
Tiller... playing at willy for obvious reasons... not good enough yet
Tip of the week Gia Griff and Hill to play blinders this week

[Mantis]

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Why is everybody want to sack proven players for
Stack... one good game then all at sea the next... and you want to put him in a final
Everitt... one good game after being bagged on this forum all year
Tiller... playing at willy for obvious reasons... not good enough yet
Tip of the week Gia Griff and Hill to play blinders this week

Personally I ain't all that interested in how they (and several others) go this week. I was more interested in how they went last week and how they go against St.Kilda when we get there.

We are a top 4 side and I want our players to play well agaisnt other top 4 teams and not against teams we are clearly better than.

[Desipura]

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Personally I ain't all that interested in how they (and several others) go this week. I was more interested in how they went last week and how they go against St.Kilda when we get there.

We are a top 4 side and I want our players to play well agaisnt other top 4 teams and not against teams we are clearly better than.

Mantis, Mantis, Mantis we are on the same page, everything you have said I feel the same way.

[Sedat]

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Our forward 6 consists of a collective of the following players - Hill, Higgins, Johnson, Aker, Hahn, Welsh, Murphy, Minson. How many of these players have a genuine appetite for defensive oriented acts? Sure the ball doesn't always get delivered lace out but is it any great surprise that our forward 50 was like a trampoline on Saturday? Do we have the forward line mix all wrong - you need your McQualter's and Varcoe's down there to make the rebounders nervous about running and carrying. Do you think Scarlet, Mackie, Enright, Kelly and Taylor were nervous rebounding with minimal pressure from behind? How many tackles and chase-downs did we successfully implement in our forward 50 on Saturday?

Why do one-paced forwards, who are not providing any offensive drive and are not providing any defensive pressure, continue to get selected. Gia has had an extended injury lay-off and wasn't able to load up on the training so has some excuse (mind you we are in sudden-death and cannot carry anyone in the team). But Hahn and Welsh? What have they provided this season that the likes of Reid, Wood, Stack, Everitt, Callan, Tiller could not provide if selected in their place? Why are we so reluctant to drop any senior players for poor form, even when they have contributed virtually nothing in recent weeks, and virtually nothing in finals? Callan and Tiller have shown that they are prepared to die out there on the field of battle for the club, and they have done this on the biggest stage and in the highest pressure environment. They might not have the polish but they are as commited to the contest as anyone in our playing group. What the hell do we have to lose by dropping Hahn and Welsh?

[comrade]

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What the hell do we have to lose by dropping Hahn and Welsh?

Nothing.

Great post.

[Ozza]

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^^^
I'm not a huge Welsh fan - but I thought he was ok on the weekend. Watching the game a second time - he actually did some really good things and I believe he had the most contested footy for us, and his kicking efficiency was teh highest. I'm not saying he starred, and stats aren't everything - but he was far from the worst - and was one of the guys who went ok in the first quarter when we were getting smashed.

Hahn on the other hand....picked up where he left off in last years finals.

[Mofra]

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Callan and Tiller have shown that they are prepared to die out there on the field of battle for the club, and they have done this on the biggest stage and in the highest pressure environment.

+1

Couldn't agree more. Players without polish need to be pricks.
Tiller is hard at it and genuinely likes hurting his opponent, but Tim Callan has the bastard gene in spades.

A couple of months back I wandered out onto the oval at Willy to hear the 3 qtr time address. I saw Reid walking in, spent, with "Tenacity" written on his arm which I was impressed with.
Then Tim Callan walked in with Everitt. He wasn't talking tactics, match ups, kicks or anything else. He was relaying a story how that quarter he'd belted a bloke, then held him down and ground his face in the mud. Say what you want about unsociable football; it wins games.

[Ozza]

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If the theme is intensity and getting a bit of grit in the side - its probably worth highlighting the comparison in tackles between the players said to have a good game - and those that have been suggested could be dropped:

Group 1 ---Group 2
Gilbee --- Minson
Boyd --- Welsh
Cross --- Hill
Eagle ---Picken
Aker --- Gia
Higgins --- Hahn

Gr 1 - 6 tackles(total) ---Gr 2 - 23 tackles.

[Sedat]

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Then Tim Callan walked in with Everitt. He wasn't talking tactics, match ups, kicks or anything else. He was relaying a story how that quarter he'd belted a bloke, then held him down and ground his face in the mud. Say what you want about unsociable football; it wins games.

St Kilda isn't blessed with 22 superstars by any stretch. But you can see that the likes of McQualter, Eddy, Dempster (when he's playing) just love to chase, tackle, hurt the opposition. Even their superstars have a thirst for pain and embrace physical confrontation with real intent and purpose - did you see Riewoldt's bone-crunching tackle in the 3rd qtr on Sunday? What about Kosi and Goddard towelling up Thomas and Shaw respectively without any regard for potential tribunal recriminations? Gotta say it was thrilling stuff to watch, and it lifts teammates to raise the bar when it's their turn.

I can see some real hard-arse gems coming through the system - Ward, Picken, Reid - these guys will crawl through broken glass just to gain a metre. But it really isn't up to them to take the lead here - I'm rapt that they are but the senior players simply have to lead from the front here. Boyd and Cross are undisputedly courageous players - why they revert to passive, reactive, safe football come September is a mystery to me. How inspirational would it be to see Minson crunch the air out of an opponent in a contested situation, and then get up and ready himself for another physical confrontation?

[LostDoggy]

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Out: Hahn

In "Mr September" Everitt