I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

[Jasper]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Would anyone consider trading Josh Hill back to WA for a Spangher or Staker plus a draft pick combination?

These are our mid sized forwards and their ages

Hahn, Mitchell 28
Hill, Josh 20
Johnson, Brad 33
Murphy, Robert 27
Welsh, Scott 31

I would suggest Hill is one of the last people we would trade. Hahn yes definitely (still doubt if there would be much interest). The only other player with trade currency on this list is Murphy...?

[hujsh]

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If we were to trade an inside mid like Cross and wanted another outside mid would we consider Shaun Burgoyne?

He's not too old and if he really want's to go he want be too expensive (though it sounds like his injuries might drop his value a bit). Port may be interested as they can add some proper hardness to their midfield (not Josh Carr hardness)

[Dry Rot]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Surely some of this comes down to where you see where the team is at?

The vast majority view is that our window will still be open next season, therefore get Hall and maybe trade say Cross for an extra late first round draft pick. Fair enough.

Minority view:

With stars like Aker and Johnson ageing and slowing down and our young talls taking till 2011 or 2012 to begin to fire, this season is it for our window. You will probably disagree with that premise, but if you can look at that hypothetically then that opens up more trade possibilities. By 2012 wear and tear will probably see the end of Murphy, Hahn and Gia or they will be in decline. Under this scenario, I'd consider a worthwhile trade for any of them. I'd even consider a top 6 trade for Gilbee who would be getting on by the time of this new 2012 window.

Another factor which might force scenario 2 is if we lose Lake. I love Lake, but if he doesn't re-sign then I'd argue that our window will definitely close.

In effect, we'd be trying to do a mini-rebuild with first and second round draft picks this year.

I understand the immediate cost of doing this: we'd be lucky to make the finals in 2010 but so many of our slack non-renewing members don't seem to care anyway. But it makes sense if you think our window closes this year.

[chef]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Surely some of this comes down to where you see where the team is at?

The vast majority view is that our window will still be open next season, therefore get Hall and maybe trade say Cross for an extra late first round draft pick. Fair enough.

Minority view:

With stars like Aker and Johnson ageing and slowing down and our young talls taking till 2011 or 2012 to begin to fire, this season is it for our window. You will probably disagree with that premise, but if you can look at that hypothetically then that opens up more trade possibilities. By 2012 wear and tear will probably see the end of Murphy, Hahn and Gia or they will be in decline. Under this scenario, I'd consider a worthwhile trade for any of them. I'd even consider a top 6 trade for Gilbee who would be getting on by the time of this new 2012 window.

Another factor which might force scenario 2 is if we lose Lake. I love Lake, but if he doesn't re-sign then I'd argue that our window will definitely close.

In effect, we'd be trying to do a mini-rebuild with first and second round draft picks this year.

I understand the immediate cost of doing this: we'd be lucky to make the finals in 2010 but so many of our slack non-renewing members don't seem to care anyway. But it makes sense if you think our window closes this year.

Do you really think that we are that reliant on Lake?

If he goes at the end of this year(god forbid), we are still going to be a very good side and IMO still a top 4 side.

[AndrewP6]

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Do you really think that we are that reliant on Lake?

If he goes at the end of this year(god forbid), we are still going to be a very good side and IMO still a top 4 side.

I know it's not my question to answer, but I think we're in big strife if Bryza goes... without him, I reckon top 4 is out... finals will be extremely tough.

[Happy Days]

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Do you really think that we are that reliant on Lake?

If he goes at the end of this year(god forbid), we are still going to be a very good side and IMO still a top 4 side.

Lake should be valued alongside Brown, Riewoldt and Scarlett in the sense that without them, their sides would be significantly worse. We should be moving heaven and earth to keep him aboard, as he is our most important player by some distance.

[LostDoggy]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Lake should be valued alongside Brown, Riewoldt and Scarlett in the sense that without them, their sides would be significantly worse. We should be moving heaven and earth to keep him aboard, as he is our most important player by some distance.

Maybe Scarlett but not Brown or Riewoldt. Much easier to replace FB run up the ground roll than a CHF.
If we had Brown or Riewoldt we'd be premeirship favourites.

[Dry Rot]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Lake should be valued alongside Brown, Riewoldt and Scarlett in the sense that without them, their sides would be significantly worse. We should be moving heaven and earth to keep him aboard, as he is our most important player by some distance.

Agreed.

And in the context of my post, if he goes then I cannot see how we would be a premiership contender. Shit team? No. Contender, no also.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Maybe Scarlett but not Brown or Riewoldt. Much easier to replace FB run up the ground roll than a CHF.
If we had Brown or Riewoldt we'd be premeirship favourites.

And if Hawthorn had Lake they would be playing this weekend.

[LostDoggy]

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And if Hawthorn had Lake they would be playing this weekend.

I think they need more than Lake.

[Happy Days]

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I think they need more than Lake.

Not really..Hawthorn need a backline, Lake is a backline in himself.

[Mofra]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

I think they need more than Lake.

They need a functioning ruck division too - Bailey gone next year is already a huge loss.

[Hot_Doggies]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

According to the Herald Sun Brisbane are chasing Richard Hadley (again), Voss believes they need someone to help Black.

Maybe Cross could fill this role.