Round 14 - WOOF Selection Table

[Cyberdoggie]

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Picked up a lazy 27 Disposals, probably his best game for the year.

True, but i think half the list got 20 possesions or more that game.
Casey were woeful.

Tiller did play a good solid game down back, but the questions remain over his pace, reaction, decision making and disposal. I'd play Tim Callan before Tiller, as I think Tiller is more likely to get exposed and make a collosal blunder.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Fair enough but you cant predict injury's and he is only getting back from one now. I'm sure he will feel he owes the playing group as some took pay cuts to keep him at the dogs.

Maybe we need Boyd to front him and explain his role, I'm hoping that he comes good for the back 1/2 of the year.

I'm not sure against other years but IMO he has missed more targets this year which is making him a fringe player.

The question is could a Wood, Harbrow or Moles play that role. (If the kicking is better than the Eagle)

I have seen Wood play in a few positions, but i think he's a natural half back flanker.
Very similar player to Gilbee, they both move well and can break down the center of the ground and deliver the ball long. Easton looks to be getting the confidence in himself now but he still has weaknesses in his accuracy and decision making, as well as he seems to take a long time when picking a loose ball up in defence. Everything seems to slow down for him, but when he is running and jumping he is a great to watch. I'd also say he's a strong overhead marker, in front or behind packs with a great leap.

I can't see Wood playing Eagles role but he will be good value generating much needed run across the backline for us.

Tutt and Howard were also drafted to replace Gilbee in the future in my opinion.

Stack and Hill are probably best suited but i don't think either are quick enough or fit enough.

[Bornadog]

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True, but i think half the list got 20 possesions or more that game.
Casey were woeful.

Tiller did play a good solid game down back, but the questions remain over his pace, reaction, decision making and disposal. I'd play Tim Callan before Tiller, as I think Tiller is more likely to get exposed and make a collosal blunder.

I was talking about Hargrave.

[boydogs]

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Sure he looks good against poor opposition who allow time & space, as he was allowed in the 2nd half against WC, but he hasn't been able to have an impact against teams that apply constant pressure, the same teams we will have to beat if we are to win a flag.

I don't care if he plays in the team or not... I don't, but if he does I would like him to play his role and so far against good teams I don't think he has (or does).

Is it his fault?
Perhaps we don't protect him or set him up enough to give him a chance to be damaging, and so he only does well when he can get in the clear by himself against sides that don't play as tight

[Mantis]

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Is it his fault?
Perhaps we don't protect him or set him up enough to give him a chance to be damaging, and so he only does well when he can get in the clear by himself against sides that don't play as tight

Perhaps.

It seems from the stands that Eagleton has lost a yard of pace which is vital to the way he plays. When opposing teams defensive efforts drop off this pace isn't all that important, but when the opposition are applying constant pressure this little bit of speed is very important to create some distance between you and your opponent such that at the point of delivery you can steady a little.

Our shepherding & blocking hasn't been super this year and is an area that hopefully improves. If and when it does it may help Eagleton to get some seperation from his opponents which in turn could help his ability to spot up a target.... I guess we will wait and see.

[Mofra]

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Our shepherding & blocking hasn't been super this year and is an area that hopefully improves. If and when it does it may help Eagleton to get some seperation from his opponents which in turn could help his ability to spot up a target.... I guess we will wait and see.

Playing devils advocate, should we put that much time into isolating a player in his last year that has two real attributes (gut-running and a left-leg cannon) that are offset by other deficiencies in his game? That much effort could impact on the effect others have in the side.

If we want a link player with a massive kick, Wood's form allows Gilbee to push up to a wing, and I rate Everitt's disposal quite highly too (not sure if his running capacity quite matches Eagle, but he's much better overhead & taller to boot).

[Mantis]

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Playing devils advocate, should we put that much time into isolating a player in his last year that has two real attributes (gut-running and a left-leg cannon) that are offset by other deficiencies in his game? That much effort could impact on the effect others have in the side.

If we want a link player with a massive kick, Wood's form allows Gilbee to push up to a wing, and I rate Everitt's disposal quite highly too (not sure if his running capacity quite matches Eagle, but he's much better overhead & taller to boot).

Shouldn't that be my job?

I agree with that, the 4 main players I would like us to try and 'protect' would be Cooney, Griffen, Harbrow & Gilbee. After that and within reason it's every man for himself.

[Mofra]

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Touche'

True, although Harbrow tends to create his own space with his run.
Gilbee a little up the ground spotting up leading players with good hands (Hall & Grant) could cut teams up.
Getting Shaggy back in form & Wood's run from defence give us more options than in the past (earlier this year playing Lake, Williams, DFA & Morris as part of our back 6).

[Go_Dogs]

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Getting Shaggy back in form & Wood's run from defence give us more options than in the past (earlier this year playing Lake, Williams, DFA & Morris as part of our back 6).

Agreed.

Now with Murphy, Wood, Hargrave all down back it allows more time for Harbrow and Gilbee to play further up the field, which makes our creativity, unpredictability and ball use in the forward half much better.



As far as changes for the next round:

I think out goes Stack and Hill/(or perhaps, but certainly less likely, Hahn) and in comes Ward and Higgins.

After that we're looking pretty good, with others including Everitt, Akermanis, Reid, Tiller all other possibilities along with Moles and Addison, over the next month of the season.

I also wonder if we may look to rest Hudson at some stage. He's been great for us so far this year, and we really need him bringing in the same level of performance in September. If so, Roughead also comes back into the mix.

[Scorlibo]

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(or perhaps, but certainly less likely, Hahn)

Even after coming off a good game, Mitch is under the pump. I actually have no idea what everyone is on about, he has produced the same games and consistency as he always has.

[Before I Die]

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Even after coming off a good game, Mitch is under the pump. I actually have no idea what everyone is on about, he has produced the same games and consistency as he always has.

Everyone is on about what everyone is always on about. It seems that everyone knows the answer to the teams woes, everyone that is except the MC. In fact it is always the MC that is the problem for not playing that one player currently at Willy who would make all the difference. Earlier in the year it was Moles, then he fell out of favour. Now it is Everitt and when he gets a game and there is still a problem, the calls will be for Reid or Roughead or .....

And why is it Hahn who is in the gun sights? Well everyone has decided that Everitt is no good as a backman, so he must be a forward and a tall one at that. So whose place can he take other than Hahn's?

I wish Everitt all the best and hope he becomes a champion, but I am getting sick of the "he is the type of player who will player better in the AFL than in the VFL" calls. We have been lacking creative run off the backline and midfield grunt. I don't really see how he would give us either of these. I hope he can force his way in and I have no doubt he could become an important player next year following a number of retirements, but I am quite comfortable with him in the twos at the moment.

Ins: Ward, Williams, Higgins

Outs:Stack, Hill, Hargrave/Wood

I think we need Williams to run up the field with Buddy and I think Mitch is still needed up forward. Hargrave and Wood both deserve to retain their spots but I don't see any option other than leaving one of them out.

[G-Mo77]

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Our shepherding & blocking hasn't been super this year and is an area that hopefully improves.

That's something that really gets to me. Our players don't seem to want to work that little bit more to help another teammate out. I honestly think it's a major problem this year. It seems no existent at times.

I watched Sam Reid pretty closely on Saturday and he seemed to do a fair bit of blocking and shepherding around the contests. I was really impressed.

[becmatty]

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I don't care if he plays in the team or not... I don't, but if he does I would like him to play his role and so far against good teams I don't think he has (or does).

Oh, but the evidence would suggest that you do care, as you make it part of your weekly routine to call for his demise.

[Go_Dogs]

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Even after coming off a good game, Mitch is under the pump. I actually have no idea what everyone is on about, he has produced the same games and consistency as he always has.

I know you posted a little statistical analysis to illustrate your point on another thread so it's obviously something you have strong views about, and that is all good and well. I just don't think he's having the same impact on games. His defensive work has dropped off (even if the numbers haven't, it's the intensity, the physical ability for repeat efforts etc) and he's kicking less goals.

If he can string together some consistently good performances, against other top 4 sides, then he stays. Until then, he remains in my firing line.


And playing him out of the backline is not the answer, not with his kicking skills.

[Go_Dogs]

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And why is it Hahn who is in the gun sights? Well everyone has decided that Everitt is no good as a backman, so he must be a forward and a tall one at that. So whose place can he take other than Hahn's?

Not sure if you're having a go at me here, but I didn't suggest Hahn out for Everitt in, I suggested Ward and Higgins as the inclusions and potentially Hahn as one of the outs.

It's not as simple as a Hahn v Everitt argument in my book, it's more to do with Hahn's performance, so perhaps it's not fair to group everyone into that category.