Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

[G-Mo77]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Yep, I can't believe some of our supporters would rather side with an individual(who's clearly in the wrong) over the club.

And not just our club either another club sacked him for the exact same reason.

[Twodogs]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Just a question for those that think Aker is being harshly teated.


How do you feel about his admission that he did actually disclose the information purporsely to Newman which Newman that used to ambush Adam Cooney on national TV with? Especially when he and Newman first claimed that Newman had overheard it and used it without Aker's knowledge?


I'm genuinly interested in your honest opinions. I'm not asking my question to provoke a negative response or to make a point.

Personally I think it shows exactly the sort of disregard for teammates and lack of team ethos Aker is being accused of.

[Doc26]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Like someone said earlier I think it was important that all the senior members of the club took their turn to demonstrate that the entire club are singing from the same page in the songbook. Smorgo, Johnno, Fantasia and Rocket had all stepped up to the plate and it was Rose's turn last night.

An alternative cynical view would be that Rose wasnt around the club on wednesday. That way he could honestly deny having intimate knowledge of what happened at the meeting in order to avoid any tricky questions.

TwoDogs, this is possibly an alternative view but rather than it being seen as cynical I'd prefer it viewed as a smart and considered move by the Club that avoided a tit for tat on specifics, that enabled the focus to be centered on Jason's history of poor behaviour and the Club's effort to remedy this over time. Cam representing the Club on TFS totally starved Jason and Sam of the oxygen they were seeking with only frustration apparent.

Those that believe the Bulldog brand has been damaged through this exercise will fortunately be proven wrong. The Bulldog stocks have risen as a result of backing the Team rather than, as Lethal once claimed of Aker, a 'consultant'.

[LostDoggy]

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Like someone said earlier I think it was important that all the senior members of the club took their turn to demonstrate that the entire club are singing from the same page in the songbook. Smorgo, Johnno, Fantasia and Rocket had all stepped up to the plate and it was Rose's turn last night.

An alternative cynical view would be that Rose wasnt around the club on wednesday. That way he could honestly deny having intimate knowledge of what happened at the meeting in order to avoid any tricky questions.

Sitting back now thinking about the whole situation, i agree with this. Last night i wasn't happy with what had happened, but i think you may have hit the nail on the head.

[GVGjr]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Just a question for those that think Aker is being harshly teated.


How do you feel about his admission that he did actually disclose the information purporsely to Newman which Newman that used to ambush Adam Cooney on national TV with? Especially when he and Newman first claimed that Newman had overheard it and used it without Aker's knowledge?


I'm genuinly interested in your honest opinions. I'm not asking my question to provoke a negative response or to make a point.

Personally I think it shows exactly the sort of disregard for teammates and lack of team ethos Aker is being accused of.

Not sure that he was harshly treated but I think the club did get some things wrong.
Regarding the issue of Newman having a crack at Cooney with info being supplied by Aker (either directly or indirectly) I certainly don't think it's a good thing but I wouldn't take some of the comments over the last few days as gospel that he deliberately loaded the gun for Newman.
There is no evidence to take that as a granted.

We know that sensitive information gets shared from time to time and Newman just broke that trust. Others choose not to.

If I wanted to knit-pick, I thought some of the comments from Smorgon on the radio (not the prepared statement) about the 'number of serious breaches' that Akermanis apparently did, showed a lack of strong management.
Exactly how many serious breaches is too many? I would have thought no more than 2 or 3.

Now I guess when DS said a number of serious breaches it was more a culmination of a lot of things with some serious and some not so but it just shows that you can't get too deep into the issues without seeing some flaws for both sides description of events.

As for Akermanis being an individual rather than a team guy, didn't we know this from day one when we signed him and had it confirmed all the way through until we re-signed him?

The club and other people in the media keep saying that Akermanis should have seen this coming but I'd argue that the club should have also seen this coming. It's no good saying that over 18 months he racked up a number of misdemeanors when we resigned him 8 months ago. We got him cheap and we have now paid a price for it.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Why use a few words, when you could use many

Lantern makes a good point. Our administration should have killed it.

Why use a big word when a diminutive one will do?

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

the best result we could hope for on the night was a nil all draw which is what we got.

Spoken like a true Arsenal supporter!

[Jasper]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Interesting discussion.

On reflection, agree that Rose handled things as best he could.

I don't think he or the club should have gone face to face with Aker, the price for appearing weak (which I don't accept) was small compared to the indignity the club went through in effectively having a performance discussion on national tv with one of the least self aware individuals I have seen (and having managed people, these people are almost impossible to counsel and the discussion is never pretty). It was never going to end well, the club was never going to get into specifics (nor should it), so what really did it add to send Rose in to face him?

Brad Johnson's calm and measured approach throughout has been impressive. The support offered by pretty much all the game's leading lights is also satisfying. I don't question the decision, I do question the appearance on the footy show and how it was managed, I hope they have learnt from it. And that is don't get in the same room as Aker with a microphone for a long time.

Anyway time to move on...although don't think for a minute that this will be over once/if we win Sunday. Aker has kept a lot of powder dry and the bombs will conintue to go off throughout the rest of the season and in the lead up to his book release, no doubt just prior to finals.

And finally something relevant from Shakespeare (I think) - "The empty vessel makes the loudest sound"

[AndrewP6]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Just a question for those that think Aker is being harshly teated.


How do you feel about his admission that he did actually disclose the information purporsely to Newman which Newman that used to ambush Adam Cooney on national TV with? Especially when he and Newman first claimed that Newman had overheard it and used it without Aker's knowledge?

I think it was dumb. Stupid. Ill-conceived. And other assorted synonyms for dumb! I also think too much was made of it. And I think too much has been made of Coon's 'ambush'. I didn't think that was that big of a deal.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

How many people do you know -or even yourself- who wish to be able to tell their A-hole of a boss in a suit to "piss off"?

Having been 'let go' before (albeit in significantly different circumstances!) I've very much been in that position, and understood the reaction completely.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Not sure that he was harshly treated but I think the club did get some things wrong.
Regarding the issue of Newman having a crack at Cooney with info being supplied by Aker (either directly or indirectly) I certainly don't think it's a good thing but I wouldn't take some of the comments over the last few days as gospel that he deliberately loaded the gun for Newman.
There is no evidence to take that as a granted.

Good point.

If I wanted to knit-pick, I thought some of the comments from Smorgon on the radio (not the prepared statement) about the 'number of serious breaches' that Akermanis apparently did, showed a lack of strong management.
Exactly how many serious breaches is too many? I would have thought no more than 2 or 3.

Excellent point.

As for Akermanis being an individual rather than a team guy, didn't we know this from day one when we signed him and had it confirmed all the way through until we re-signed him?

The club and other people in the media keep saying that Akermanis should have seen this coming but I'd argue that the club should have also seen this coming. It's no good saying that over 18 months he racked up a number of misdemeanors when we resigned him 8 months ago. We got him cheap and we have now paid a price for it.

Another excellent point. OK, I'm sounding too teacher-like. Must stop now! (Shame there's no "Slap myself in the face" emoticon! )

[AndrewP6]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Yep, I can't believe some of our supporters would rather side with an individual(who's clearly in the wrong) over the club.

I'd be slightly happier if the club were to put their hand up and say something like "We've made some poor management decisions in recent times. We let this go on far too long without acting on it, and it blew up in our faces."

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

To all those who have said Smorgon should have been the one to front up instead of Rose. I think that would have been the worst possible scenario as (and let me state I love Smorgo he's been awesome,with the possible exception of the name change, for our club) he does not have a great track record regarding commenting on player rifts and contoversies within our club. I think in his fierce love and loyalty to the club he often gets a little petty and combative and can sometimes have a bit of foot in mouth disease. Maybe its just me but I remember all too well the issues with Dougie, Dimma and Libba. The other side of this is that David has a great capacity for forgiveness and buries the hatchet quite willingly and with great class.

I think by having someone as non-combative and removed from the situation as Campbell Rose the club avoided getting into a messy fight live on television. I was however quite angry that they allowed Aker to stay out there during Rose's segment it looked to me like an ambush.

[chef]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

I'd be slightly happier if the club were to put their hand up and say something like "We've made some poor management decisions in recent times. We let this go on far too long without acting on it, and it blew up in our faces."

I would too, maybe the club was holding out hoping that Aker would pull his head in and focus on football. But he wouldn't and this needed to be done(no matter how messy it's going to get).

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

I'd be slightly happier if the club were to put their hand up and say something like "We've made some poor management decisions in recent times. We let this go on far too long without acting on it, and it blew up in our faces."

Andrew I totally agree here. All the spin and stonewalling does is make members more cynical. Good point.