Dogs v Freo in Bunbury

[boydogs]

Re: Dogs v Freo in Bunbury

JC obviously did not mean anything by his comment however when I first read it, it did not read well and it still does not.
Would have been wiser for JC to state that he apologises if it anyone has taken offense as it was not his intention, instead he has gone on the defensive and repeated what he initially said, that was not necessary IMHO

If I was accused of being racist I would get defensive too.

[Scraggers]

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If I was accused of being racist I would get defensive too.

We are getting ahead of ourselves here ... No one has called JC a racist ... But I do believe there are better way to describe an Indigenous footballer than Black.

Both Michael McLean and Neon Davis took great offence to being called 'Black Magic'. The term Black when used to describe Aboriginal people in Australia is derogatory and IMO should not be used as an adjective. It prickles a few hairs on the neck of people for a reason.

In my line of work (Principal of a Primary School in a very low socio-economic area of Perth), I have a lot of Aboriginal friends/colleagues/clients ... If I ever referred to them as 'Black' it would be the end of my career (and my head would not be in the vicinity of my shoulders for too long either)

This is NOT a personal attack. I've met JC twice at WA Bulldog pre-match drinks and have found him to be a nice bloke ... Based on this and JCs previous posts, I would not dream of calling him a racist.

[ledge]

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Term of endearment?? like calling an englishman a pom?

[stefoid]

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Honest question - do aboriginals dislike being called black?

[boydogs]

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In my line of work (Principal of a Primary School in a very low socio-economic area of Perth), I have a lot of Aboriginal friends/colleagues/clients

To me, that's more racist than what JC said. Are you suggesting that because it is a low socio-economic area, there are naturally more aboriginals around?

If I ever referred to them as 'Black' it would be the end of my career (and my head would not be in the vicinity of my shoulders for too long either)

...and that they are violent, too?

[Missing Dog]

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To me, that's more racist than what JC said. Are you suggesting that because it is a low socio-economic area, there are naturally more aboriginals around?

That's not racist, that's factual in WA.

This thread is getting way off topic.

[Missing Dog]

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Honest question - do aboriginals dislike being called black?

I think scraggers has answered that.

[Missing Dog]

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Mulligan had a bit of speed and spring in his step. Looks a bit like Grant. I didn't notice him much.

I think that only white guys take offense when you call a black guy a black guy. When I saw Zeph take that spectacular mark, in the first instance I could only recognise that it was a black guy. Didn't know who it was at first, just that he was black - that was a standout. I can't say that he was indigenous because for all I know he may have been from Africa. What would you 'black' sensitive people have me do, just button my lip or say that I don't just yet recognise him?

Most black guys I know are proud to be black. President of USA is black, fastest man and woman in the world are black, biggest TV show host in the world is black, world's biggest movie box office attractions are black and so the list goes on. Remember when Nicky Winmar pulled up his jumper and pointed to his skin and said to the world, "I am black and I am proud of it!" Some people need to get their sensitivities straight.

Ok I seem to have missed something here the only people on our list of "colour" are indigenous so to even say anything else is wrong and I find it offensive.sorry no excuse for me on that from me not on mate it may not be delibrate but nor is there an excuse !!!

[Ghost Dog]

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Ok I seem to have missed something here the only people on our list of "colour" are indigenous so to even say anything else is wrong and I find it offensive.sorry no excuse for me on that from me not on mate it may not be delibrate but nor is there an excuse !!!

What about the word blackfella. It gets bandied around alot by indig songwriters ( Warumpi band et al ) . Do you find it offensive when they refer to themselves in that way? and is it wrong for me to sing their song? off thread!

[Scraggers]

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To me, that's more racist than what JC said. Are you suggesting that because it is a low socio-economic area, there are naturally more aboriginals around?

As Aker39 stated:-

That's not racist, that's factual in WA.

Unfortunately this is the case ... I have 39% Aboriginal students, 33% students with Visas (half of those on persecution Visas) predominantly from Africa or Asia, 21% new immigrants (again predominantly from Africa or Asia), and only 7% Anglo Saxon students.

...and that they are violent, too?

I was being facetious ... my point was, that the Indigenous people I deal with on a daily basis would be very upset if I referred to them as 'Black'.

[the banker]

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Interesting job Scaggers. Early talent scout too?

[mjp]

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Honest question - do aboriginals dislike being called black?

It depends who they are, who you are and what your relationship is with them.

It is often a term of endearment amongst indigenous youths when speaking to one another - whether or you are able to use the term as well? A lot of factors determine that.

[Scraggers]

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Interesting job Scaggers. Early talent scout too?

I've taught quite a few current AFL footballers mainly in my country postings (Jarryd, Cale, and Mitch Morton & Nat Fyfe) and lots of past players (too many to name).

From my current school I have lots of relatives of Lewis, Neville, and Leroy Jetta and Cruize Garlett; a number of which have already had talent scouts come and watch them play.

[LostDoggy]

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It depends who they are, who you are and what your relationship is with them.

It is often a term of endearment amongst indigenous youths when speaking to one another - whether or you are able to use the term as well? A lot of factors determine that.

This. The 'n' word is bandied about in rap music, and often used by my african-american mates amongst themselves (this slang actually started off being used in an ironic sense in various '70s/'80s race-identity movements, but has of course been subsumed to become part of a certain 'youth' or 'gang-lite' subculture and stripped of any political significance -- a 'term of endearment' almost, to use mjp's description), but you wouldn't use it if you weren't part of the community, as it may very easily (and most likely) cause offence.

Anyway, my point is that language is inexact, limited, can be very loaded, and is very contextual (as we have all seen, and as mjp has alluded to), so due care should be exercised when discussing something as sensitive as race.

[LostDoggy]

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Is that an apolgy? Worst justification I've heard since Fonzi said he was "wr..wrrr....wwrong".
Let's just say the James Cuming is still stuck in the era when his namesake walked the earth in the inner west!