Lake omission disgraceful

[Bornadog]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

He also frequently says we could make 4 or 5 changes and then an 18 y.o is dropped and a vet brought back in. This is a massive change from the norm.

Similar to Brad Johnson, Nathan Eagleton, Mitch Hahn, except they were selected for the prelim final.

Exactly! Add Welsh for the previous year.

The trouble is the past few years we haven't had the cattle to replace these guys. Now we have guys like Markovic who can takle a full back role.

[Desipura]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

The trouble is the past few years we haven't had the cattle to replace these guys. Now we have guys like Markovic who can takle a full back role.

How do you know that? We never backed in our youngsters like Collingwood did/do.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

How do you know that? We never backed in our youngsters like Collingwood did/do.

didn't have enough youngsters. We have given a go to all the young guys we could have in the past three years.

[Mantis]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

didn't have enough youngsters. We have given a go to all the young guys we could have in the past three years.

Jones would have done no worse than Hahn in last years finals. Ditto with Moles over Eagleton.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Jones would have done no worse than Hahn in last years finals. Ditto with Moles over Eagleton.

matter of opinion.

Anyway, we are discussing players being dropped and young guys given a go.

Last year we blooded Jones, Grant, Stack, Wood, Roughead and Hooper, plus Moles

Already this year we have Libba, Wallis, Markovic, DJ

Prior to 2010, Rocket has brought in Ward, Higgins, Reid, Hill, Harbrow

I think we have given all the young guys that have been ready for AFL a go. We haven't been able to drop certain players in the past because we just didn't have the back up.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Similar to Brad Johnson, Nathan Eagleton, Mitch Hahn, except they were selected for the prelim final.

Or Andrew Hooper?

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Disagree with your sentiment N.B.P, the disgrace was bringing Brian back underdone and not after the bye. Love your passion tho!

Our old pal certainly disagrees with your perspective N.B.P.

I chuckled just a bit when I read this line...

"This was the whole time when I was getting the sack for basically nothing and this guy was causing so much dramas in the back end and now he’s still going on with it,” Akermanis said.





Jason Akermanis slams 'unprofessional' Bulldog Brian Lake Staff writer From: Herald Sun May 05, 2011 2:26PM

JASON Akermanis says Brian Lake is paying the price for going holiday instead of getting vital knee surgery at the end of last season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jason-akermanis-slams-unprofessional-bulldog-brian-lake/story-e6frf9jf-1226050532310

[soupman]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Given the lack of good big players in our team I am still not convinced that the demoting of Lake is the right way to go. Judging by the comments to date this thread has drawn a mixed reaction which is healthy I would have thought.

I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

Lake isn't neccessarily being dropped. Instead he is actually being assisted.

To me it appears that the club realises that due to physical and form reasons Lake isn't able to play to his ability at this point in time. The club obviously feels that these won't be rectified by continuing to play Lake in the seniors. By playing him for Williamstown he can be eased back and any negative performances he has aren't going to hurt our season.

Our lack of good big players isn't going to be rectified by keeping a horribly out of form and unfit Lake in the side for the months it may take for him to get himself right again at the AFL level. It might end up being more beneficial to play a Brennan Stack or Sam Reid in the side for however long it takes Lake to come back in as a good player than to carry bad Lake for six weeks.

[dogman]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Our old pal certainly disagrees with your perspective N.B.P.

I chuckled just a bit when I read this line...

"This was the whole time when I was getting the sack for basically nothing and this guy was causing so much dramas in the back end and now he’s still going on with it,” Akermanis said.





Jason Akermanis slams 'unprofessional' Bulldog Brian Lake Staff writer From: Herald Sun May 05, 2011 2:26PM

JASON Akermanis says Brian Lake is paying the price for going holiday instead of getting vital knee surgery at the end of last season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226050532310

This is a common message I've heard from people within the club, I think they've had enough. If he wasn't so good on the field, he would of been gone 2 years ago.

[Greystache]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Or Andrew Hooper?

Because he played in the prelim.

No he sat on the sidelines with Liam Jones.

[Maddog37]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

This is a common message I've heard from people within the club, I think they've had enough. If he wasn't so good on the field, he would of been gone 2 years ago.

lucky he is good on the field then.

[Doc26]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

As has been mentioned earlier in this thread there may well have been a more collobarative discussion which lead to a mutual agreement with Brian being demoted this week. If that was the case I would've preferred Brian to back himself in to come good - to set himself a goal against the Swans.

I'm not convinced that after two weeks that 'simply' based on Brian's form that his demotion is warranted otherwise it does make a number of other MC decisions in 2010 look inconsistent such as with our perseverance throughout 2010 to select Shaun, Mitch and Brad that they might eventually come good. Possibly the action the MC has taken this week is an outcome from learnings taken from some ordinary calls last season.

Will be interesting to see whether Hawthorn take a similar line on Luke Hodge who like Brian is also struggling with form - being put down to an interrupted preseason and persistent achilles complaint. I suggest the call to demote Hodge will not be considered by their MC.

The issue I see the Club has with Brian this week may have more to do with the combination of form AND, in particular, in not adhering to Team structure / expected discipline where the two have morphed into one.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Because he played in the prelim.

No he sat on the sidelines with Liam Jones.

Yeah Liam was playing so well that we would have won that Prelim

[Greystache]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Yeah Liam was playing so well that we would have won that Prelim

Irrelevant.

We were never going to win it, and to suggest he would've been a liabilty compared to the likes of Johnson or Hahn would also be rediculous. The difference is Jones is also playing this year, while Hahn is coaching and Johnson commentating. Experiencing the pressure of a prelim (or any final for that matter) would've been hugely beneficial for a young player that might be the backbone of our team in the future, rather than going with the tried, tested, and failed veterans and getting the usual result.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Irrelevant.

We were never going to win it, and to suggest he would've been a liabilty compared to the likes of Johnson or Hahn would also be rediculous. The difference is Jones is also playing this year, while Hahn is coaching and Johnson commentating. Experiencing the pressure of a prelim (or any final for that matter) would've been hugely beneficial for a young player that might be the backbone of our team in the future, rather than going with the tried, tested, and failed veterans and getting the usual result.

Your missing the points in the discussion, however, I will comment. Jones hardly touched the ball in the H&A . He was avaerging 10 disposals, so how can we play him in the finals based on that?

Posters are critical that in the past we kept the old brigade in and didn't give any young guys a go, or dropped the young guys before we dropped the Gilbee's, Hahns, etc . What I am saying is at the time we didn't have much of a choice, however, where possible we blooded a lot of players.

Maybe we should have played some of them in the prelim, but I guess the players were not up to it. Sunday we played 10 players that were not even in the final versus Collingwood.