Lake omission disgraceful

**choconmientay** · 05-05-2011, 11:58 AM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket

Thank you Maddog37, I thought I was running out of friends!
If Brian Lake is down on form then he has a few mates. You simply do not make an example of one of your better players. If we had been a better team then surely Lake should have been carried for a couple of weeks in the seniors to regain form.
Are we now suggesting that players like Williams and Markovic are better options?
Please give me a break!

Collingwood last season did this quite well. They dropped players regardless of their names when they weren't in form. We should enforce the same rules and rotate our players. No harm in sending players back to the VFL to find their form, to re-energise and to find the hunger for the game.

**Sockeye Salmon** · 05-05-2011, 12:04 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by choconmientay

Collingwood last season did this quite well. They dropped players regardless of their names when they weren't in form. We should enforce the same rules and rotate our players. No harm in sending players back to the VFL to find their form, to re-energise and to find the hunger for the game.

They didn't really, they only dumped hacks like Fraser, Medhurst and O'Bree.

**Desipura** · 05-05-2011, 12:19 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

They didn't really, they only dumped hacks like Fraser, Medhurst and O'Bree.

And Lockyer. They made tough calls on 200 game players in Fraser, O'Bree & Lockyer, not bad for a bunch of hacks!
Medhurst would have got a game for us last season.

**Lake Superior** · 05-05-2011, 12:20 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket

Thank you Maddog37, I thought I was running out of friends!
If Brian Lake is down on form then he has a few mates. You simply do not make an example of one of your better players. If we had been a better team then surely Lake should have been carried for a couple of weeks in the seniors to regain form.
Are we now suggesting that players like Williams and Markovic are better options?
Please give me a break!

Norm Smith(the greatest coach ever) said one of his best weapons to get the best out of his players was to make an example of the better players. He frequently targeted Barassi which caused other players to think that if Barassi was having a bad run I must be terrible.

I believe the dropping of Lake is just to send a message to the rest of the playing group that if you dont adhere to instructions your out.

**choconmientay** · 05-05-2011, 12:23 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

They didn't really, they only dumped hacks like Fraser, Medhurst and O'Bree.

Added to that list ... Leon Davis, Travis Cloke, Ben Johnson, Simon Prestigiacomo all spent times in the VFL if I can recall correctly

**Mahama** · 05-05-2011, 12:42 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

All this talk about form, dropping, dumping, omitting... Rodney himself has said this isn't the case.

From http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226050086470

Assistant coach Brett Montgomery confirmed yesterday that Lake would step back to the VFL this weekend, but senior coach Rodney Eade later said it would be the first of "several" weeks in the reserves, possibly the first of four.

"One week is unlikely to achieve what we all want and it would also suggest that we've dropped Brian, which isn't the case," Eade said. "This is the start of a course the medical and fitness staff, the coaches and Brian have set out to enable him to get some confidence back in his body, to improve his fitness and touch.

Sounds like a very good idea to me. Get him right now so we have one of the best players in the league fit and ready to go for the finals, rather than having him limp in with half his limbs about to fall off again.

**mjp** · 05-05-2011, 12:45 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Why the surprise? Rocket said on Monday 'On the Couch' that he would play at Williamstown...

**LostDoggy** · 05-05-2011, 01:03 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

I like the fact we seem to be focusing on the end game, dropping unfit or out of form players(mostly just the unfit ones though). In this case they seem to have it right again, we need Lake at the pointy end of the season.

I just hope we make the pointy end of the season. If we lose against Sydney top four might be out of reach (not in a mathematical sense but in reality).

**Topdog** · 05-05-2011, 01:07 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by mjp

Why the surprise? Rocket said on Monday 'On the Couch' that he would play at Williamstown...

He also frequently says we could make 4 or 5 changes and then an 18 y.o is dropped and a vet brought back in. This is a massive change from the norm.

**Nuggety Back Pocket** · 05-05-2011, 01:19 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by The Coon Dog

Does anyone really believe a decision to move Brian back to Williamstown wouldn't have occurred without a decent level of consultation?

I reckon the hardest thing for footy supporters is sometimes understanding why certain decisions are arrived at, principally because we aren't privy to the inner workings of the club.

If we were, I'm sure we'd probably agree with what happens much more than we do & I'm not suggesting for a minute we should be, just using it as a reason to demonstrate my point.

For what its worth I think the title of this thread could have been worded better too.

As an old Braybrook boy myself I understand your concerns about the wording as suggested in your last sentence. I also believe that their should be more consistency in the dropping of your so called better players. Two that come to mind are Giansircusa and Gilbee who can play a number of so so games but continued to be picked.
Given the lack of good big players in our team I am still not convinced that the demoting of Lake is the right way to go. Judging by the comments to date this thread has drawn a mixed reaction which is healthy I would have thought.

**SlimPickens** · 05-05-2011, 01:33 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Disagree with your sentiment N.B.P, the disgrace was bringing Brian back underdone and not after the bye. Love your passion tho!

**Sockeye Salmon** · 05-05-2011, 01:36 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by choconmientay

Added to that list ... Leon Davis, Travis Cloke, Ben Johnson, Simon Prestigiacomo all spent times in the VFL if I can recall correctly

Cloke was never dropped and the rest were only ever average at their peek - which was years ago.

The blokes he dropped were hasbeens who had become a liability and most retired/got delisted.

**Greystache** · 05-05-2011, 01:44 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

Cloke was never dropped and the rest were only ever average at their peek - which was years ago.

The blokes he dropped were hasbeens who had become a liability and most retired/got delisted.

Similar to Brad Johnson, Nathan Eagleton, Mitch Hahn, except they were selected for the prelim final.

**choconmientay** · 05-05-2011, 01:50 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

Cloke was never dropped and the rest were only ever average at their peek - which was years ago.

The blokes he dropped were hasbeens who had become a liability and most retired/got delisted.

Counting through, it was still a lot of Collingwood players dropped/rested. My point is that you should be able to drop senior players if they are not in good form. Like I said before, there is no harm in going back to VFL to revitalize.

**Topdog** · 05-05-2011, 01:56 PM

Re: Lake omission disgraceful

Originally posted by Greystache

Similar to Brad Johnson, Nathan Eagleton, Mitch Hahn, except they were selected for the prelim final.

Exactly! Add Welsh for the previous year.

Lake omission disgraceful

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