Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

**Sedat** · 25-05-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lantern

Love it Sedat.

Hey, some of us called for those exact match-ups here on WOOF (especially the 2009PF Murph on Gilbert, Griff on Goddard ones -- can't be bothered going and pulling up the posts) and sometimes copped howls of derision, but if we're calling Rocket inspired, does that mean some of us are also tactical geniuses? (Or more likely, talk so much crap that sometimes we are right by accident?)

I definitely fit into the latter camp

**mjp** · 25-05-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lantern

...some of us are also tactical geniuses?

Eade was called a genius post Tiges for playing Gilbee forward...as I said at the time, he also played forward against Freo - was he a genius then as well?

Players make coaches tactical geniuses.

**Jasper** · 26-05-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by mjp

Eade was called a genius post Tiges for playing Gilbee forward...as I said at the time, he also played forward against Freo - was he a genius then as well?

Players make coaches tactical geniuses.

And who recruit and develop the players?? Chicken and egg really.

**Jasper** · 26-05-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by westdog54

Perhaps, but he saw that his situation was untenable and walked, and it was a good decision in the circumstances. He wasn't dismissed by press release. If things haven't turned around then quite frankly I'd trust him to do the same. Eade seems like he'd be the type of bloke who's wise enough to know when he can do no more.

The point that was being made was that clubs with good cultures don't sack the coach mid-season. While there may have been some pushing that's completely different to simply sacking the coach.

Don't wish to harp on this but you are playing semantics and you are very wrong. If I am your manager and call you into my office and say. 'You will not have a job in 3 months' - is your contract not renewed or are you sacked? The effect is the same. In not being asked to leave immediately (possibly because his boss wasn't talking to him) he was told choose your way to die - slow poison until Rd 22 or quick bullet now. Rocket chose the bullet.

And if you go to Rocket's authorised biography, Rocket Science, Mike Sheehan's article is reprinted and article clearly states Rocket was 'dumped', as this was clearly Rocket's own view, can I suggest again that you are mistaken.

The quote is "Rodney Eade was damaged goods when the Swans dumped him in Sydney Harbour mid-season in 2002"

Rocket Science

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=0V_aUi_eHGsC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=eade+sacked+from+sydney&source=bl&ots=1GFJ0QawkD&sig=o73RRKjtHAFYMSRu-ykWzFtLb4U&hl=en&ei=NyHeTdH6OonxrQfbufX8CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=eade%20sacked%20from%20sydney&f=false

Rodney Eade has had an incredible journey in sport and in life. Growing up in Tasmania, sport was always an integral part of his life, with his dad playing state football and cricket. Early on, it looked as if cricket would be Rodney's game. Then the Hawthorn Football Club took him across Bass Strait as a 17-year-old to play VFL football.Little did anyone know - least of all Rodney - what lay ahead: four Premierships with Hawthorn; coaching the first interstate team to win a premiership; coaching the Swans to their first Grand Final since moving to Sydney; and becoming just the 12th person in the history of the game to both play and coach 200 games.Eade's life and career is an extraordinary story, and Kevin Hillier has interviewed a huge range of footballing talent and experience to fully do it justice.

**LostDoggy** · 30-05-2011, 10:10 PM

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Watching Footy Classified, can't believe what i am hearing.

Hutchy putting forward his so called plan for the Bulldogs, saying we should trade Murphy, Gilbee. Lake, Minson etc... retire Hall, phase out guys like Gia & Rocket should announce this as his last season, so the club can prepare for next year and beyond, because he has been there 10 years already.

I don't mind people like Hutchy having an opinion about Rocket and the club, but get your facts right.

Hutchy, Rocket hasn't been at the cub for 10 years. He first started coaching in 2005, if you're going to lay the boots into a guy who is down, get it right first.

**Bornadog** · 30-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Glove38

Watching Footy Classified, can't believe what i am hearing.

Hutchy putting forward his so called plan for the Bulldogs, saying we should trade Murphy, Gilbee. Lake, Minson etc... retire Hall, phase out guys like Gia & Rocket should announce this as his last season, so the club can prepare for next year and beyond, because he has been there 10 years already.

I don't mind people like Hutchy having an opinion about Rocket and the club, but get your facts right.

Hutchy, Rocket hasn't been at the cub for 10 years. He first started coaching in 2005, if you're going to lay the boots into a guy who is down, get it right first.

That means we won't have any one at the club over 25 years old

**AndrewP6** · 30-05-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by bornadog

That means we won't have any one at the club over 25 years old

No, but by Hutchy's ridiculous "plan", in 2015 we'd have Coons, Griff and Morris as senior leaders...

**Desipura** · 31-05-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by Glove38

Watching Footy Classified, can't believe what i am hearing.

Hutchy putting forward his so called plan for the Bulldogs, saying we should trade Murphy, Gilbee. Lake, Minson etc... retire Hall, phase out guys like Gia & Rocket should announce this as his last season, so the club can prepare for next year and beyond, because he has been there 10 years already.

I don't mind people like Hutchy having an opinion about Rocket and the club, but get your facts right.

Hutchy, Rocket hasn't been at the cub for 10 years. He first started coaching in 2005, if you're going to lay the boots into a guy who is down, get it right first.

We could not do the above as it would send us spiraling down the ladder for many years. In which time the likes of Cooney and Griffen would be at the twilight of their careers. Not too mention we could not afford to lose even more members.

**Bornadog** · 31-05-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by Desipura

We could not do the above as it would send us spiraling down the ladder for many years. In which time the likes of Cooney and Griffen would be at the twilight of their careers. Not too mention we could not afford to lose even more members.

Yeah and we would be using Cooney and Griffen as our scapegoats as they would be the future Gia and Gilbees nand we would be asking them to retire

**LostDoggy** · 31-05-2011, 10:55 AM

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Caroline Wilson shot his plan down pretty quickly. Actually, I agree with much of what she said last night. The only thing from Hutchy that I agreed with, was that there needs to be a few players phased out this year if things don't improve. I guess there are a few players who have 13 games to put forth their best case for being retained.

**Maddog37** · 31-05-2011, 11:10 AM

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Hutchy wants to jettison players for draft picks in a draft that is raped by GWS!!!!!!!! Say no more.

**mjp** · 31-05-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Kelvinator

And who recruit and develop the players?? Chicken and egg really.

What?

Gilbee played forward against Freo - no impact.
Gilbee played forward against Richmond (2 weeks later) - 6 goals.

What are you talking about? Are you trying to say that it was the development of Gilbee - a 10 year vet - in the two weeks between those games that made the difference to his output?

What chicken and egg are you talking about? If you want to look at whether youngsters are improving from season to season, then yeah - some of that is on the coach...the fact is though that some improve in leaps and bounds and others stagnate - even when exposed to the same teachings. Why is that? People looking to blame the coach will say 'Well, he just didn't find a way to communicate with player x' whilst ignoring the results achieved with 'player y'. Others still will say that 'player x' "simply didn't work hard enough".

There is truth in all of that but Gilbee playing well one week and poorly the next in the same ROLE says more about him than Eade and the match committee.

**LostDoggy** · 31-05-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by bornadog

That means we won't have any one at the club over 25 years old

What made it worse, was the fact he had Skinner in the list of players for the future.

I know he might be showing some signs at Williamstown, but it's stretching the argument a bit.

**azabob** · 31-05-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Giansiraccuser

Caroline Wilson shot his plan down pretty quickly. Actually, I agree with much of what she said last night. The only thing from Hutchy that I agreed with, was that there needs to be a few players phased out this year if things don't improve. I guess there are a few players who have 13 games to put forth their best case for being retained.

What did Caroline have to say?

**LostDoggy** · 31-05-2011, 05:28 PM

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When the club planned for 2011 I am sure they would not have expected the sharp deterioration in our key players, from injury, age or weariness at having gone to the well once too often.

Lake, Hudson, Cooney, Higgins, Hargrave, Gilbee, Hall et al have all dropped off the pace. The experience of Eagle, Johnson and even Aker is no longer.

So a group of young players is thrust into the limelight and expected to play with the wisdom and experience of veterans. They cannot sustain it, especially with our core missing in action.

Hard to gain confidence in this situation, no matter how hard you try, given the defensive way the game is played now and how accuracy in disposal and intuitive decision making have become the essence.

Maybe Rocket has passed his use by date. I don't know. But what I do know is that, on last week's effort, we are in there trying, and we demonstrated some flashes of excellent play.

To lose the players we have is NOT the fault of the coach.

It's how he develops the team from here that I will be watching, especially as he appears to have at his disposal a number of players who are not yet ready or who appear to resist sheer hard physical contact in order to get the ball. And especially as we can expect to lose more games than we win.

Continually swapping the team around and just putting in more young players is a recipe for disaster. I feel we have a huge task in managing our list...managing the older players so they don't succumb to injury and weariness, and managing our younger players so they don't develop a losing mentality from being asked to do too much too soon. They certainly can't be expected to lead the game plan on the field when it is stuttering. Neither Wallis nor Libba have the engines yet.

I also assume the bang the ball into the forward line in any old fashion is a result of the fact that we can't beat the press with handball and our inaccurate kicking to a forward would open us up on the counter attack. Are we saving legs by just kicking it and hoping? Is this an admission we are not good enough?

Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

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