Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

450k is half of what GWS is offering, but after the tax man takes half its only 225k, so if you look at it that way, he may stay.

Lets hope bornadog but can we afford it? Im not sure we should be paying for potential.

[Greystache]

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450k is half of what GWS is offering, but after the tax man takes half its only 225k, so if you look at it that way, he may stay.

That's a key point IMO, and you'd hope some of the people at the club with strong commercial acumen would be talking to Callan in real terms. However if he moves to Sydney but continues to list his permanent address in Melbourne he could qualify for living away from home allowance (lafha), which would make a massive difference to his take home and blow that theory out of the water.

[1eyedog]

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Not for all

Ha Ha I'm glad to see that there are still some real people out there AP6

[LostDoggy]

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Was thinking of that too. It puts him into Ablett compo range which would be more than fair compo for him (though perhaps just makes up for us getting screwed on Harbrow).

Though Ward remains one of my favourtite players and would be very unhappy to see him go.

Anyone know the answer on this? If Cal got the $4.5mill touted do we get 2 1st rounders or is the compensation again at the AFL's pleasure? Everyone wins if we get the former (including Cal) and we can bend over and wait for the red-hot poker if its the later....

[westbulldog]

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He is a very good player but not yet elite. If he chases the money let him go with our best wishes. Another kid from somewhere will step up, always has always will. I don't agree with the promise of captaincy , that has to be earned and similarly I wouldn't overpay him to stay. I recall that Chris Grant was offered a blank cheque by Port Adelaide (?) and chose to stay. Grant is thus highly respected by Footscray people and other team's supporters. Loyalty and respect are not delivered by a cheque.

[divvydan]

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I have been told by a preety reliable source that as of a week ago Callan is staying. Going by my source our offer is upwards of 450k and the promise of the captaincy In no more than two years. You can choose to believe me or shoot me down. I for one dont know how we will have the money but one would think a senior player has to be traded. My man is close to the family and did suggest that Callans mum did enjoy the spotlight and the attention of her piece in the paper. (he said that not in a bad way). He is fairly certain nothing has changed but time will tell i spose.

Not saying I don't believe you but the club would have to be pretty stupid to make an offer like that, especially with regards to the captaincy. It sets an awful precedence for future players coming out of contract, which will be all the time with the new free agency system coming into place.

Obviously, assuming that a new CBA is agreed upon by the players and AFL, the average salary will go up from its current level of around $210k and if it's going to be much higher, i.e. $300k average then I could possibly accept $450k, however, he's only a potentially very good player and currently only a good player and to pay that sort of money to a player who's performances (imo) don't yet warrant anywhere near that amount is a very risky and short sighted move. Indeed it could well lead to more salary cap problems down the track, thus losing other players who are then not able to receive an appropriate wage for their performances.

[Remi Moses]

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Eade saying Callan has leadership qualities and is our clubs Joel Selwood says they're up for a fight! I guess the likes of Thomas, Pendlebury, Dustin Martin Marc Murphy, Joel Selwood are not consumed by the big dollars.Showed loyality over the ridiculous salaries offered.

[Mofra]

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Grant is thus highly respected by Footscray people and other team's supporters. Loyalty and respect are not delivered by a cheque.

You can't buy respect - it's not like Grant is suffering financially either, given he just shelled out for a home on The Strand.

If Ward's listening to good advisers, the foinancial difference may not be that great given (I'd assume) the business network in Melbourne would be much more firendly to AFL types than the Sydney network.

[cinder]

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The days where Chris Grant stayed for 20 cents pocket money are certainly gone aren't they ... mind you, look where Port Adelaide are at the moment. Still they did win a Premiership ...

[Sockeye Salmon]

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You can't buy respect - it's not like Grant is suffering financially either, given he just shelled out for a home on The Strand.

If Ward's listening to good advisers, the foinancial difference may not be that great given (I'd assume) the business network in Melbourne would be much more firendly to AFL types than the Sydney network.

Interesting one.

I read somewhere that Grant did well out of the loyalty theme - he had a range with the 'Successories' stores under 'Loyalty. He also spoke at coporate functions using loyalty as the theme.


From a playing perspective, I have no doubt that had Grant taken the money he would today be a 3 times premiership captain and recognised as the greatest CHB of his generation (with Tredrea in the side Grant would have been able to prove how brilliant a CHB he was).

[Curly5]

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Eade saying Callan has leadership qualities and is our clubs Joel Selwood says they're up for a fight! I guess the likes of Thomas, Pendlebury, Dustin Martin Marc Murphy, Joel Selwood are not consumed by the big dollars.Showed loyality over the ridiculous salaries offered.

Or else they have been assured of more money through "other means".

[1eyedog]

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Eade saying Callan has leadership qualities and is our clubs Joel Selwood says they're up for a fight! I guess the likes of Thomas, Pendlebury, Dustin Martin Marc Murphy, Joel Selwood are not consumed by the big dollars.Showed loyality over the ridiculous salaries offered.

All of these players play for clubs that have the capacity to put some extra mayo on to sweeten the deal through third party payments. We don't.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I think the AFL should've put more thought into the unique uncontracted player trading rules for the two new clubs and the impact it has on existing clubs.
For me both GC & GWS have received very generous draft concessions that ensure that the youth end of their list development for the long term is well covered.

The rule that allows them to poach up to 1 uncontracted player from each of the club really should've been about ensuring that the new clubs could fill out their list balance by obtaining players of a mid twenties age and over.

For mine the rule should've stated that they can poach 1 uncontracted player from each team who is 24 yrs of age or over.
This would've ensured that the clubs losing players are not losing their players of the future. And on the flipside would still allow for the new clubs to grab the marquee players with still plenty of football in front of them that would give them some immediate experience and name recognition to excite their supporters.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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The problem is that the AFL pays the compensation.

Their draft picks should be more spread out throughout the draft rather than all in the first round. They should then have to pony up a pick of their own as compensation.

Compensation should be related directly to their salary with a bias for a players age.
If you want to pay a 20yo $7m for 6 years he must be a gun so pay up big.

This would force them to be a bit more circumspect about what they offer.

[Dry Rot]

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If we keep ward, then a term of his new contract must be to grow a good mo.

We'll then have a perfect facsimile of a seventies porn star.