Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

Ward has to stay , I want to see him headbutt the Beard again , I,m sure the subsonic pressure wave has circled the planet at least once

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[LostDoggy]

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Not saying I don't believe you but the club would have to be pretty stupid to make an offer like that, especially with regards to the captaincy. It sets an awful precedence for future players coming out of contract, which will be all the time with the new free agency system coming into place.

Obviously, assuming that a new CBA is agreed upon by the players and AFL, the average salary will go up from its current level of around $210k and if it's going to be much higher, i.e. $300k average then I could possibly accept $450k, however, he's only a potentially very good player and currently only a good player and to pay that sort of money to a player who's performances (imo) don't yet warrant anywhere near that amount is a very risky and short sighted move. Indeed it could well lead to more salary cap problems down the track, thus losing other players who are then not able to receive an appropriate wage for their performances.

Normally I'd agree with you, but the new teams throw up a situation that's not normal: with the exception of the soulless twits in navy blue, it seems rare for a player to be recruited directly into the captaincy, but of course GWS has no captain so they're able to dangle that in addition to the moolah. In that light, I've got no problem with the club telling Callan he'll be looked at for captain at the next go-round. These inflated pressures are not a permanent issue and in years to come things should return to normal.

[Jasper]

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The problem is that the AFL pays the compensation.

Their draft picks should be more spread out throughout the draft rather than all in the first round. They should then have to pony up a pick of their own as compensation.

Compensation should be related directly to their salary with a bias for a players age.
If you want to pay a 20yo $7m for 6 years he must be a gun so pay up big.

This would force them to be a bit more circumspect about what they offer.

You are making an assumption that the AFL cares whether clubs such as ours succeed. What the AFL wants is instant success for GWS and GC, and they will get it at our expense. So why would they implement rules that even remotely look like curbing GWS/GC success...?

[Topdog]

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Believe me SS is under no such illusion.

[Remi Moses]

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All of these players play for clubs that have the capacity to put some extra mayo on to sweeten the deal through third party payments. We don't.

Why Can't we? Surely we have plenty of savvy business types.

[divvydan]

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Normally I'd agree with you, but the new teams throw up a situation that's not normal: with the exception of the soulless twits in navy blue, it seems rare for a player to be recruited directly into the captaincy, but of course GWS has no captain so they're able to dangle that in addition to the moolah. In that light, I've got no problem with the club telling Callan he'll be looked at for captain at the next go-round. These inflated pressures are not a permanent issue and in years to come things should return to normal.

I take your point but the problem is that, as far as I'm aware, Ward isn't even in the leadership group and someone like Higgins has been in there since 2009 and at least internally, must be seen as a likely future leader of the club and offering Ward a future captaincy would probably be a huge slap in the face for him.

You're right that the circumstances are exceptional but with the advent of free agency, whilst this won't be a problem to the same extent, particularly for players as young as Ward, there will still be ongoing issues with player retention and I don't think captaincy should ever be used as an incentive, mainly because a player who would stay as captain but wouldn't stay without the captaincy is not the sort of player I would want captaining the club.

[stefoid]

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Can I ask a question: If ward goes and we use the compo pick in the same year as father/son selections, must we use the compo pick on the F/S or only our 'normal' pick?

[The Coon Dog]

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Can I ask a question: If ward goes and we use the compo pick in the same year as father/son selections, must we use the compo pick on the F/S or only our 'normal' pick?

Let's try & answer that using common sense.

Firstly F/S selections are completed before any trades. Therefore the use of a pick would have used in a subsequent year if it had a bearing on F/S.

If you then have 2 first round selections in the subsequent year one could certainly be used in order to secure a F/S selection. I guess it depends on how good the prospective player is (ie is he worth a first rounder) & whether any other teams bid (& where).

Potentially we could have 2 first round selections in the 2012 draft. Lets hypothetically say one is pick 15 & the other is at the end of the first round, say pick 19. If a side with a pick 1-14 bids, our next available pick would be 15, which we would have to use if we wished to secure the F/S.

If no one 1-14 bids, we use 15 on whoever we want, then it depends on picks 16-18. Our next available pick is pick 19 & so on for each subsequent round.

The key words as I understand them are 'next available selection',

I might be way off beam & if so I apologise.

[stefoid]

Re: Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

Let's try & answer that using common sense.

Firstly F/S selections are completed before any trades. Therefore the use of a pick would have used in a subsequent year if it had a bearing on F/S.

If you then have 2 first round selections in the subsequent year one could certainly be used in order to secure a F/S selection. I guess it depends on how good the prospective player is (ie is he worth a first rounder) & whether any other teams bid (& where).

Potentially we could have 2 first round selections in the 2012 draft. Lets hypothetically say one is pick 15 & the other is at the end of the first round, say pick 19. If a side with a pick 1-14 bids, our next available pick would be 15, which we would have to use if we wished to secure the F/S.

If no one 1-14 bids, we use 15 on whoever we want, then it depends on picks 16-18. Our next available pick is pick 19 & so on for each subsequent round.

The key words as I understand them are 'next available selection',

I might be way off beam & if so I apologise.

Common sense? why start now?

So once activated, the compo pick becomes a normal pick and subject to F/S bidding?

We have a bunch of F/S coming up, and might end up with another two at once like we did last time (hunter and beasly) To take full advantage of having multiple f/s' in the same year you dont actually want to have multiple early picks available to burn on them when you could get them for later round picks anyway.

[Greystache]

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Given that Will Beasley isn't even playing footy this year, and at beat he was a very raw prospect, I doubt he'll come into calculations for an early F/S selection.

[chef]

Re: Callan Ward - Should he stay or should he go?

Let's try & answer that using common sense.

Firstly F/S selections are completed before any trades. Therefore the use of a pick would have used in a subsequent year if it had a bearing on F/S.

If you then have 2 first round selections in the subsequent year one could certainly be used in order to secure a F/S selection. I guess it depends on how good the prospective player is (ie is he worth a first rounder) & whether any other teams bid (& where).

Potentially we could have 2 first round selections in the 2012 draft. Lets hypothetically say one is pick 15 & the other is at the end of the first round, say pick 19. If a side with a pick 1-14 bids, our next available pick would be 15, which we would have to use if we wished to secure the F/S.

If no one 1-14 bids, we use 15 on whoever we want, then it depends on picks 16-18. Our next available pick is pick 19 & so on for each subsequent round.

The key words as I understand them are 'next available selection',

I might be way off beam & if so I apologise.

So if we get a first round pick for Ward at the end of this season and plan to use it in the 2012 draft is it true we have to nominate that during the season or can we wait until right before the draft?

I have heard we have to do it during the season(maybe early?).

[The Coon Dog]

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So if we get a first round pick for Ward at the end of this season and plan to use it in the 2012 draft is it true we have to nominate that during the season or can we wait until right before the draft?

I have heard we have to do it during the season(maybe early?).

I seem to recall you have to state prior to the commencement of the season if you plan to use a 'banked' selection.