Callan Ward - Staying or going?

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Agree with the above posts about Fantasia and Smorgan not being vocal enough about demanding reasonable compensation for Ward

They simply need to point out a couple of points of data to the AFL

1) The Western suburbs of Melbourne is Australia's fastest growing area
2) The Western Bulldogs are the only AFL team based in the Western suburbs of Melbourne
3) SoI imagine soccer would the the #1 sport by participation for juniors and seniors in Melbourne West
4) Strong Bulldogs may mean a shift towards AFL and away from soccer for some of the people int he West

[Mantis]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

We can't upset the whole pay structure of the club to pay one very promising player

But if he re-signs with us haven't we alreday done this by 'upping' our initial offer?

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

But if he re-signs with us haven't we alreday done this by 'upping' our initial offer?

Maybe, its impossible to know given we are not privy to the finer details

I would have thought they would have made a first offer with some wiggle room as part of their negotiating tactic so that they could come back with a better offer. Otherwise it would not have been a negotiation, but rather here is the offer, take it or leave it. I don't think it would have been handled like that.

He should be in our upper echelon, but in some respects mostly on potential, but the reality is we can't afford to keep him on the money offered, and the AFL don't want us to keep him

[Ozza]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere - but if we assume Ward is leaving - is it worth us using the cap space to make a serious play for John Butcher from Port?

Jones at CHF and Butcher at FF - would be pretty exciting to watch in years to come.

[SlimPickens]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere - but if we assume Ward is leaving - is it worth us using the cap space to make a serious play for John Butcher from Port?

Jones at CHF and Butcher at FF - would be pretty exciting to watch in years to come.

Mentioned this in the who we want thread. I'd like to see us make a play for Butcher. If we use the compo pick we get for Ward and maybe a player we might have a chance.

[Sedat]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere - but if we assume Ward is leaving - is it worth us using the cap space to make a serious play for John Butcher from Port?

Jones at CHF and Butcher at FF - would be pretty exciting to watch in years to come.

Had we traded pick 5 in 2007 to WC anc taken Josh Kennedy off Carlton's hands as some scribes suggested here, our key forward posts would look pretty cosy. Of course we wouldn't have Jarrad Grant if that happened.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Agree with the above posts about Fantasia and Smorgan not being vocal enough about demanding reasonable compensation for Ward

They simply need to point out a couple of points of data to the AFL

1) The Western suburbs of Melbourne is Australia's fastest growing area
2) The Western Bulldogs are the only AFL team based in the Western suburbs of Melbourne
3) SoI imagine soccer would the the #1 sport by participation for juniors and seniors in Melbourne West
4) Strong Bulldogs may mean a shift towards AFL and away from soccer for some of the people int he West

You can't plead for an extra pick by claiming your impoverished.
You can only state your claim based on comparison to other compensations.

ie if Scully and Ward both go to GWS for exactly the same amount of cash then you would expect a similar if not identical compensation. That is the only fair way to do it.

[Mofra]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Had we traded pick 5 in 2007 to WC anc taken Josh Kennedy off Carlton's hands as some scribes suggested here, our key forward posts would look pretty cosy. Of course we wouldn't have Jarrad Grant if that happened.

I know who I'd prefer. Trading can be hit or miss, but that would have certainly been a hit.

[Mantis]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I know who I'd prefer. Trading can be hit or miss, but that would have certainly been a hit.

So is drafting.

Over the past 8 to 10 years we have selected 3 talls with picks below no.6.

None of these have turned out to be anything other than 'good ordinary players' and although Grant has the talent to become very good his lack of care factor means he is more than likely to just 'eek' along.

[Mofra]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

So is drafting.

Over the past 8 to 10 years we have selected 3 talls with picks below no.6.

Clayton's legacy is that of being better with late picks than early picks. You were kind enough to him to leave Everitt at pick 11 out of your example, and McMahon/Power weren't fantastic either.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

A first round pick for Ward would be a disaster.

Two first rounders is what it should be, but as always, we'll get screwed.

[Bornadog]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

A first round pick for Ward would be a disaster.

Two first rounders is what it should be, but as always, we'll get screwed.

Why as always?

Is he really worth two first round pics? I don't know what the criteria is do you or any other posters? (Genuine question not smart arse question)

[Mofra]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Is he really worth two first round pics? I don't know what the criteria is do you or any other posters? (Genuine question not smart arse question)

It seems to be based primarily on the size of the contract offered and the amount of media bleating about their perceived worth.

[cinder]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I can't wait for this time next week and we'll know for sure. Although I think most of us already know unfortunately ...

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Is he really worth two first round pics? I don't know what the criteria is do you or any other posters? (Genuine question not smart arse question)

Under the AFL criteria of only considering age and salary he simply must be.

He will be 21 and one of the top 5-6 highly paid players in the competition - and of those he will be only older than Scully.


Using the AFL's own guidelines he will be the 2nd most valuable player in the competition and they will have no option but to rate him as band 1.





We will get band 2. Lock it in, Eddie.