Who gets delisted?

[GVGjr]

Re: Who gets delisted?

After his 6 goal display against Richmond I thought it was strange that he was never played in that position again, especially since he was struggling down back.

Pretty sure he played there the following week and copped the hard tag and was ineffective.
I stand to be corrected though

[Mantis]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Hooper has kicked six goals in six games ( 1 per game) ....thats really about par for a small forward. Some doggies supporters rated Steve Kolynuik and he kicked 198 goals in 177 games (average 1.11 per game).

He is not a world beater. However he is only 20 and rated highly by some people I have met from Ballarat area. Worth one more year to prove himself.

Goals per game isn't the issue as he has a knack of popping up and kicking a few... it's what else he brings to the table that's the concern.

And isn't it amazing that a Ballarat boy is highly rated by the locals.

[mjp]

Re: Who gets delisted?

There are a few considerations in determining if we cut a bit deeper but with what we are faced with again in 12 months I don't think it's worth waiting another year.

It is not where we start cutting that is the problem...it is how do you stop?

For me, there is really not much point in continuing with Addison, Moles, Skinner, Hooper, Mulligan or Prato...or, being really harsh - Gilbee.

I think Stack will survive, I think Moles will survive and I think (because he is contracted) that Hooper survives.

[Bornadog]

Re: Who gets delisted?

It is not where we start cutting that is the problem...it is how do you stop?

For me, there is really not much point in continuing with Addison, Moles, Skinner, Hooper, Mulligan or Prato...or, being really harsh - Gilbee.

I think Stack will survive, I think Moles will survive and I think (because he is contracted) that Hooper survives.

It would be interesting to see what impact in dollars this would have if we cut this deeply, but as you say its what needs to happen.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Do we then go youth, or look at a Bower or Satanta or the like with a late pick.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Who gets delisted?

It's hard to find a spot for Hooper. Could he be reinvented as an extraction midfielder. He'd have to work on his endurance massively. Cons would be he'd join our elite in that area of average kicks.

As I said, hard to find anywhere else for him with Tutt, Wallis, Libba and Schoey coming along, DJ predominately playing his position and Moles already having the role just described.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Who gets delisted?

It's hard to find a spot for Hooper. Could he be reinvented as an extraction midfielder. He'd have to work on his endurance massively. Cons would be he'd join our elite in that area of average kicks.

As I said, hard to find anywhere else for him with Tutt, Wallis, Libba and Schoey coming along, DJ predominately playing his position and Moles already having the role just described.

Wasn't Hooper VicMetro captain out of the back pocket - fair chance i could be wrong. But why not try him along the lines Harbrow used to be played?

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Hooper has kicked six goals in six games ( 1 per game) ....thats really about par for a small forward. Some doggies supporters rated Steve Kolynuik and he kicked 198 goals in 177 games (average 1.11 per game).

He is not a world beater. However he is only 20 and rated highly by some people I have met from Ballarat area. Worth one more year to prove himself.

Hooper. Kolyniuk. Same sentence. No.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Who gets delisted?

When I think of delistings I try to imagine whether I would look twice at some of our players if they were playing state league footy or at another team and were available for nothing.

Imagine Stack and Addison weren't on our list, would we even consider picking either one with our last selection? I would think not. If we wouldn't even look at them, let alone want them, why keep them on?

I have mentioned it on WOOF before but I would also let go of Moles. I know it's harsh but I don't really see what he offers us. At his best maybe some running depth but his role is also probably perfect for kids who can at the very least go close to producing the same.

I'd let go of Shaggy, Gilbee and Hopper as well if they weren't contracted. My point is, don't keep guys you don't actually want because there's too many of them. If you wouldn't draft them, delist them! (unless it's a rewarding loyalty thing).

Do we think Moles, Addison and/or Stack will get picked up? We can always just rookie them.

[Mofra]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Wasn't Hooper VicMetro captain out of the back pocket - fair chance i could be wrong. But why not try him along the lines Harbrow used to be played?

Hooper doesn't have the same agility/lateral speed at Harbrow so would play more lockdown, and it seems Picken has been playing that role quite a bit.

He's actually quite quick over the 20m in a straight line; he basically has to find a way of making it as either a small forward (Dalhaus coming from nowhere last year makes this hard) or a hard running high forward type (a fit Sherman and/or Vez and/or Tutt make this difficult too) his opportunities are going to be limited. Realistically he's behind quite a few in the pecking order.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Any chance we can delist James Fantasia because he doesnt appear to be capable of negotiating deals during trade week.

After listening to his interview on SEN, he wasnt able to achieve any of the dealings he said they were aiming for.

[ReLoad]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Any chance we can delist James Fantasia because he doesnt appear to be capable of negotiating deals during trade week.

After listening to his interview on SEN, he wasnt able to achieve any of the dealings he said they were aiming for.

What deal in particular didn't he get through thats grabbed your attention?

[Mantis]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Wasn't Hooper VicMetro captain out of the back pocket - fair chance i could be wrong. But why not try him along the lines Harbrow used to be played?

Harbrow wasn't a great defender, did ok until his shoulders gave way, but he was quick (staright line speed is ok I guess), agile, creative and could run all day - Hooper doesn't do any of those all that well.

edit - Gazumped by Mofra.

[GVGjr]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Any chance we can delist James Fantasia because he doesnt appear to be capable of negotiating deals during trade week.

After listening to his interview on SEN, he wasnt able to achieve any of the dealings he said they were aiming for.

Trading doesn't always work out perfectly. According to our coach before the draft week the aim was minimal changes so to that end it's roughly what we expected. We didn't have a lot of currency other than the Ward compensation pick and maybe our aim is to use that next year.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Hooper doesn't have the same agility/lateral speed at Harbrow so would play more lockdown, and it seems Picken has been playing that role quite a bit.

He's actually quite quick over the 20m in a straight line; he basically has to find a way of making it as either a small forward (Dalhaus coming from nowhere last year makes this hard) or a hard running high forward type (a fit Sherman and/or Vez and/or Tutt make this difficult too) his opportunities are going to be limited. Realistically he's behind quite a few in the pecking order.

His best chance IMO is to try and go all out and be a contested ball winner.
If you can get your hands first on the footy, you're in.
With Boyd, Cross getting on, maybe he could be the new Libba?
However, extremely doubtful at this stage. The games I went to, he looked pretty shakey and lacked confidence.