Who gets delisted?

[stefoid]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Leigh Brown retired this year with a premiership to his name. If the coaching staff think he can provide a contest at chf I think he us worth a shot if only to protect our younger forwards and provide some intimidation. I am a little concerned that teams may target our youth next year and the role of an enforcer can often be underrated.

We arent pushing for a GF in the next couple of years though.

I dont think its the right time to fill our holes with stop-gap players. Id rather play the good young players we have in those holes and take the short term pain, for longer term gain = more experience for the young players and better draft picks next year.

Bring Setanta into the side means pushing one young potential forward back to the Willi seniors (Panos, Cordy, Vezpremi) which pushes another younger player back to the Willi reserves (Hill, Skinner)

[GVGjr]

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We arent pushing for a GF in the next couple of years though.

I dont think its the right time to fill our holes with stop-gap players. Id rather play the good young players we have in those holes and take the short term pain, for longer term gain = more experience for the young players and better draft picks next year.

Bring Setanta into the side means pushing one young potential forward back to the Willi seniors (Panos, Cordy, Vezpremi) which pushes another younger player back to the Willi reserves (Hill, Skinner)

I also don't think we are at the stage where throwing young players into the deep end is the right way to go for us. The "Play the kids" approach is an easy out and one that most supporters will accept if you aren't going to contend but if you can add an experienced guy to the mix that assists guys like Jones and Grant then it can also be a positive. I don't think we will land Setanta but give he is a physical presence and capable of playing a few positions including a good spell in the ruck when we decided to go into games with just one then I see the appeal if he can be added cheaply.

[Mantis]

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Perhaps done more on attitude and application

I am wondering if McCartney can do for Addison what the Bombers did for Sam Lonergan this year - thoughts?

I'd always thought Lonergan was a good ordinary footballer but they got some real impact out of him this year until injured

To be fair to Addison after making significant strides in 2010 did not get many opportunities this year. He played 4 games and never two in a row.

My main concern with Dylan is his lack of pace, agility and awareness which are all traits which are holding him back in terms of being a regular senior player and a good contributor at that.

Lonergan has a bit of toe and has some agility which make him useful around the ball and I don't think this comparison is fair.

I guess we know what we will get from Addison (hardness, competitive) which makes him useful as player number 30 on the list, but I don't think that's enough to keep him on-board.

[stefoid]

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I also don't think we are at the stage where throwing young players into the deep end is the right way to go for us. The "Play the kids" approach is an easy out and one that most supporters will accept if you aren't going to contend but if you can add an experienced guy to the mix that assists guys like Jones and Grant then it can also be a positive. I don't think we will land Setanta but give he is a physical presence and capable of playing a few positions including a good spell in the ruck when we decided to go into games with just one then I see the appeal if he can be added cheaply.

We threw Jones into the deep end last year. This year is for him to build on that.

Which other forward/ruck players are going to struggle playing seniors without Setanta around? Roughead? Panos?

[The Doctor]

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We threw Jones into the deep end last year. This year is for him to build on that.

Which other forward/ruck players are going to struggle playing seniors without Setanta around? Roughead? Panos?

Setanta would provide cover in several positions and add a lot of grunt. Let the younger guys worry about getting a kick and let the irishman do the physical stuff.

Additionally, it doesn't hurt for Jones, Roughead, Grant, Panos have some experienced competition for a spot in the side.

[GVGjr]

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Setanta would provide cover in several positions and add a lot of grunt. Let the younger guys worry about getting a kick and let the irishman do the physical stuff.

Additionally, it doesn't hurt for Jones, Roughead, Grant, Panos have some experienced competition for a spot in the side.

Agreed, they benefited by having Hall in the forward line and while Setanta is no Hall replacement at the very least it means not having to throw Jones into the ruck. Adding someone like Setanta also means that Jones and Grant can still develop as key forwards because he won't command the ball like Hall did.

[stefoid]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Agreed, they benefited by having Hall in the forward line and while Setanta is no Hall replacement at the very least it means not having to throw Jones into the ruck. Adding someone like Setanta also means that Jones and Grant can still develop as key forwards because he won't command the ball like Hall did.

The team benefitted, but how did Jones and Grant benefit? 70% of our forward entries were directed to Hall, and Hall prevented Grant from playing FF which I believe his his natural position.

I dont think we will see Jones at FF or in the ruck next year, regardless - CHF up the ground is his best position.

[BulldogBelle]

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The team benefitted, but how did Jones and Grant benefit? 70% of our forward entries were directed to Hall, and Hall prevented Grant from playing FF which I believe his his natural position.

I dont think we will see Jones at FF or in the ruck next year, regardless - CHF up the ground is his best position.

Setanta o'hailpin isnt a focal point like Hall was - we are comparing a 700+ career goal kicker with a fella who has kicked less than 70 goals

Agree that Jones' best football will be played up the ground, chasing pack marks and leading in the centre of the ground

In the forward 50 our key posiiton prospects are Grant, Panos and Roughead/Minson (resting ruckman)

Grant isnt a pack marker and with his speed is better suited to playing up the ground (provided he can develop a tank over the summer), and Panos is a 19/20 years old (?) and probably only 192cms or so - so he will get the oppositions #1 stay at home defender - not a great way to develop a young forward from a confidence perspective

I think GWS will jump at setanta - so I think this conversation is slightly redundant

[Cyberdoggie]

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Agreed, they benefited by having Hall in the forward line and while Setanta is no Hall replacement at the very least it means not having to throw Jones into the ruck. Adding someone like Setanta also means that Jones and Grant can still develop as key forwards because he won't command the ball like Hall did.

I think Setanta would offer 2 very big positives.

* Marking power: I'm not saying he's Wayne Carey, just saying he's tall and he's a strong contested mark, we have very little in this area.

* Backup ruck option: With Hudson gone, our options are Minson and/or Roughead. If Roughie can't command a dual role as forward/ruck then we may not be able to have both in the side. Setanta could enable having just the 1 of them and not being too tall/slow.

Negatives:
* can't kick: Jones already struggles to kick the ball, add Setanta, and an inconsistent and bizarre looking Grant, not much confidence in those 3 to kick clutch goals.


Worth a look though, guess it depends on what the new coach's plans are.

[GVGjr]

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The team benefitted, but how did Jones and Grant benefit? 70% of our forward entries were directed to Hall, and Hall prevented Grant from playing FF which I believe his his natural position.

I dont think we will see Jones at FF or in the ruck next year, regardless - CHF up the ground is his best position.

They benefited by not having to be the key target and playing a lot of games alongside of a good one. Next year they will still need some support.

[BulldogBelle]

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They benefited by not having to be the key target and playing a lot of games alongside of a good one. Next year they will still need some support.

Agree

I think some supporters are expecting Panos to have a breakout rookie season like Chris Grant did in 1990 - he is 20 years old and has never played an AFL game - and will need support

[stefoid]

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Lets not pretend Setanta is some great player just because we havent seen his deficiencies up close like we have with Minson. Minson/Roughhead combo will do just as well close to goal as him.

[The Doctor]

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Lets not pretend Setanta is some great player just because we havent seen his deficiencies up close like we have with Minson. Minson/Roughhead combo will do just as well close to goal as him.

And if one of Minson/Roughead breaks down then what?

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Our compensation picks improve in value

[Topdog]

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The team benefitted, but how did Jones and Grant benefit? 70% of our forward entries were directed to Hall, and Hall prevented Grant from playing FF which I believe his his natural position.

I dont think we will see Jones at FF or in the ruck next year, regardless - CHF up the ground is his best position.

What was Grant doing when Hall missed 7 games?