Forward line 2012

[Sedat]

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On the other hand, you have some clubs where every employee is expected to multi-task. I'm sure I saw Rocket cleaning the toilets once a few years ago, and Smorgon was manning the cafe money-till the other day (again, only a slight exaggeration).

Dean Laidley once did the cement work around the players' bath at Arden St when he was coach (not an exaggeration).

In 2006-2007 Rocket was doing all sorts of stuff over and above coaching because we didn't have a Director of Footy Operations and all these fringe tasks fell to Rocket. Some would argue we still don't have one

[Maddog37]

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This is completely off thread but watching Rocket on AFL insider the other night really reminded me how likeable he is. He was being asked about Dogs players and you could tell he would rather not discuss it but he still gave good answers. He also looks a lot less stressed.

[stefoid]

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Can you remind me how Sydney are getting on with Everitt?

Pretty sure it's up to the individual.

All people arent the same. They need to be treated differently to get the best out of them. The coaches have to have more than tactical/strategic skills they have to have people skills as well.

[Mantis]

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All people arent the same. They need to be treated differently to get the best out of them. The coaches have to have more than tactical/strategic skills they have to have people skills as well.

Do our previous coaches lack people skills?

[Ghost Dog]

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Do our previous coaches lack people skills?

Rocket's coaching style was pretty old school. Screaming at players and slamming phones went out a while ago. Some players can deal with that, and it's effective - others can't, especially your emo types.

[AndrewP6]

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Rocket's coaching style was pretty old school. Screaming at players and slamming phones went out a while ago. Some players can deal with that, and it's effective - others can't, especially your emo types.

Or your 'big sooky la la types'

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Rocket's coaching style was pretty old school. Screaming at players and slamming phones went out a while ago. Some players can deal with that, and it's effective - others can't, especially your emo types.

Or your 'big sooky la la types'

Simplistic way of looking at it.

Some people just don't respond well to being screamed at -- what's so "sooky" and "emo" about that?

Would you like your boss screaming at you? Would that make you perform at your best?

[jeemak]

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Rocket's coaching style was pretty old school. Screaming at players and slamming phones went out a while ago. Some players can deal with that, and it's effective - others can't, especially your emo types.

I think you're selling Eade extremely short with this. He built a list of introverted players up to a level where they almost made a grand final, and you can bet he didn't do that solely by shouting and slamming phones.

Agree that players need to be managed on an individual basis, but they also need to be able to adapt to different management styles. It's a two way street, and unless you're on the inside it's very hard to determine if each of the player or the coach was working together to the level required. Generally speaking though, it's always the coach that gets fingered in the wash up when it comes to player management whether it's a player leaving a club, or a coach being moved on.

I've not seen many of our players out and about, so if you could point me in the direction of the Emo's that Rocket couldn't relate to I'd be very grateful.

[Mantis]

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Rocket's coaching style was pretty old school. Screaming at players and slamming phones went out a while ago. Some players can deal with that, and it's effective - others can't, especially your emo types.

You really believe this.... WOW.

[stefoid]

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Do our previous coaches lack people skills?

who knows? Apparently its a particular strength of mac, so time will tell

[Desipura]

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Do our previous coaches lack people skills?

Just an up to date game plan according to Monty and others.

[Ghost Dog]

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You really believe this.... WOW.

Yes I do...

I was at the Lion Bar ( ? ) at Melbourne central once, chatting to a bunch of players ( can't remember where from ) who had rocket come and do some clinics with them. During said clinic, one of them was quietly chatting to his mate while rocket was attempting to address the group. He gave the guy a fair old spray, or so he said. The group told me how shit scared they were of Rocket.

I love Rocket. I'm not knocking him. but I know which style of coach would get the best out of me if I was playing for him. I really don't respond well to the yelling and screaming by authority figures as I had a lot of that in my home and at school. this is not to pot that approach in elite sport, as it really works for some people in that context.

If you call giving people a 'spray' good or bad people skills is your view. For me it is generally ineffective, speaking for myself, and being a teacher, would be surprised if anyone could provide any evidence that supports relating to young people in this way. Elite sport is a bit different but the fundamentals are the same as most training environments.

[LostDoggy]

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Yes I do...

I was at the Lion Bar ( ? ) at Melbourne central once, chatting to a bunch of players ( can't remember where from ) who had rocket come and do some clinics with them. During said clinic, one of them was quietly chatting to his mate while rocket was attempting to address the group. He gave the guy a fair old spray, or so he said. The group told me how shit scared they were of Rocket.

What he should have done was to praise them
Most coaches would have been upset in that instance, why does that make him old school?

If Rocket's only method of communicating was through fear then he would not have lasted as long.
Coaching isnt all just teaching.

[Ghost Dog]

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What he should have done was to praise them
Most coaches would have been upset in that instance, why does that make him old school?

If Rocket's only method of communicating was through fear then he would not have lasted as long.
Coaching isnt all just teaching.

The spray is old fashioned. Coaching isn't all teaching. But it is a big part of it.

[Bornadog]

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The spray is old fashioned. Coaching isn't all teaching. But it is a big part of it.

Rocket is an excellent teacher. Your views are based on what you see on TV during game time. Have a look at the antics of Malthouse during a game. Its an emotional game.

When you went down to training, Rocket was not screaming and abusing people, he was teaching.