Match Committee - Round 2 vs Adelaide

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Just on Roughead. It seems a lot of posters treat his role as if he primarily plays in the ruck and spends a bit of time pinch hitting as a ruckman where actually it is the opposite.

As a number 2 to Minson, you probably need to be able to spend at least twice as much up forward then you do in the ruck. I rate Roughy as a 1st ruck but the 2nd ruck role really doesn't suit him IMO as he gives us very little up forward.

Minson, Roughy, Cordy and Markovic in the same 22 shows an ignorance of the demands of the modern game.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Just on Roughead. It seems a lot of posters treat his role as if he primarily plays in the ruck and spends a bit of time pinch hitting as a ruckman where actually it is the opposite.

As a number 2 to Minson, you probably need to be able to spend at least twice as much up forward then you do in the ruck. I rate Roughy as a 1st ruck but the 2nd ruck role really doesn't suit him IMO as he gives us very little up forward.

Minson, Roughy, Cordy and Markovic in the same 22 shows an ignorance of the demands of the modern game.

As does having Grant as a sub.

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Well thats just frightening. I really do hope that the real(the old) Brian comes back soon - but he certainly wasn't on the ground on Sunday. He was hopeless. and he's going to need to get around on a motorbike to be within ear shot of Riewoldt.

With Morris out - the defence is pretty grim.

Lake is not the same player, Marko and Williams try hard - but lets face it - are ordinary footballers - and Shaggy is not suited to playing on tall, strong players.

Well who do you suggest?

[Mofra]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Do all forwards play in the middle? As all don't I don't see your point. Coast have 4 tall forwards so the reverse question applies. Why did they have more run with less mids. Simply they were fitter and quicker across the board and that makes it look like we need more players in the middle when simply the guys in there couldn't keep up. They also had a mid as there sub.

No, but you mentioned "small forwards" in your post and only one (Dickson) didn't run through the middle. Effectively we lose a runner by losing one - even Dickson played a high forward role at times.

Run is more important to us at this stage IMO

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

We will struggle while we have a 'best 22" mentality. Case in point - it's not 'who' we want at FF, but 'how' we want that position played. Lead up 190-193cm type, or a 200cm tall. We lack speed up forward - to many 184cm-ish medium paced guys that all play the same role (Gia, Dickson, Smith, Higgins), and only one genuine speedster.(D-haus). Need two. We need two key forwards, not one and a ruckman. I'd play Minson, Roughead and Cordy, Cordy at FF. Adelaide rotate Tippett through the midfield so we only need two key defenders. (Needed three last week - and we waste Shaggy as the 3rd tall defender year in-year out).
We need to be analysing our needs as far as structures go first, then put names to roles.

The team I would like to see this week -
Back six - Lake, Markovic, Hargrave, Addison, Wood, Murphy,
Midfield - Minson, Cross, Libratore, Boyd, Cooney, Griffin
Fwds - Jones, Cordy, DJ, Dalhaus, Gia, Roughead
Int - Higgins, Wallis, Picken, Smith,
Ins - Cordy, Griffin, DJ
Out - Dickson, Howard, Grant.

I like the look of that team as well. DJ needs to come in and as a forward who can play mid looks good to me.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

So you would play 3 rucks.

When ones forward and the other is rucking where do you hide the last one?

I think Cordy can play as a key position player and would play him at full forward and Jones at CHF. If needed he could have a stint in the ruck.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Just on Roughead. It seems a lot of posters treat his role as if he primarily plays in the ruck and spends a bit of time pinch hitting as a ruckman where actually it is the opposite.

As a number 2 to Minson, you probably need to be able to spend at least twice as much up forward then you do in the ruck. I rate Roughy as a 1st ruck but the 2nd ruck role really doesn't suit him IMO as he gives us very little up forward.

Minson, Roughy, Cordy and Markovic in the same 22 shows an ignorance of the demands of the modern game.

Ignorance is a bit much.

Roughy is still very young and inexperienced -- do you expect him to be dominating up forward? Jones shows a lot of promise, but he isn't exactly dominating either. Grant is borderline struggling.

In time, Roughead should be able to offer something up forward. We need to keep persisting and, more importantly, teaching.

To simply throw Roughy in the "too hard" basket is a cop out. Develop him in the role -- that's what the coaches are for, and that's what this season should be for.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Just on Roughead. It seems a lot of posters treat his role as if he primarily plays in the ruck and spends a bit of time pinch hitting as a ruckman where actually it is the opposite.

As a number 2 to Minson, you probably need to be able to spend at least twice as much up forward then you do in the ruck. I rate Roughy as a 1st ruck but the 2nd ruck role really doesn't suit him IMO as he gives us very little up forward.

Minson, Roughy, Cordy and Markovic in the same 22 shows an ignorance of the demands of the modern game.

I would have Minno sitting up forward for most of the game and is better 1 on 1 then any of our other forwards imo, leave Roughead in the ruck for most of it.

Although Cordy has kicked 4 over the last 2 weekends if I recall correctly so may be another forward option rather then jones and roghead..

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Ignorance is a bit much.

Roughy is still very young and inexperienced -- do you expect him to be dominating up forward? Jones shows a lot of promise, but he isn't exactly dominating either. Grant is borderline struggling.

In time, Roughead should be able to offer something up forward. We need to keep persisting and, more importantly, teaching.

To simply throw Roughy in the "too hard" basket is a cop out. Develop him in the role -- that's what the coaches are for, and that's what this season should be for.

I agree with a lot of that however I didn't say it was ignorant to pay him, I said it was ignorant to play him alongside Minson, Cordy and Markovic. Not to mention Lake as well, that's a lot of guys who aren't mobile + don't offer us much anyway.

[chef]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Has Roughie ever showed much as a forward at Willi?

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

We will struggle while we have a 'best 22" mentality. Case in point - it's not 'who' we want at FF, but 'how' we want that position played. Lead up 190-193cm type, or a 200cm tall. We lack speed up forward - to many 184cm-ish medium paced guys that all play the same role (Gia, Dickson, Smith, Higgins), and only one genuine speedster.(D-haus). Need two. We need two key forwards, not one and a ruckman. I'd play Minson, Roughead and Cordy, Cordy at FF. Adelaide rotate Tippett through the midfield so we only need two key defenders. (Needed three last week - and we waste Shaggy as the 3rd tall defender year in-year out).
We need to be analysing our needs as far as structures go first, then put names to roles.

The team I would like to see this week -
Back six - Lake, Markovic, Hargrave, Addison, Wood, Murphy,
Midfield - Minson, Cross, Libratore, Boyd, Cooney, Griffin
Fwds - Jones, Cordy, DJ, Dalhaus, Gia, Roughead
Int - Higgins, Wallis, Picken, Smith,
Ins - Cordy, Griffin, DJ
Out - Dickson, Howard, Grant.

I like this team.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Well who do you suggest?

I'm not suggesting anyone - I'm just saying its pretty bloody dire back there right now!

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I'm not suggesting anyone - I'm just saying its pretty bloody dire back there right now!

Well lets hope Lake comes good.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

The only tall that gave us real problems was Kennedy and I couldn't see Cordy doing a better job on him than Marko.

Were you happy to concede 7 goals last week! It made sense for our best key defender Lake to have taken Kennedy allowing Markovic to handle the resting ruckmen. Even more puzzling was to leave Markovic on Kennedy after he kicked 4 goals in the opening quarter.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Has roughie ever showed much as a forward at willi?

Brief stints here and there, but much like the rest of his game -- it's all been inconsistent, as you would expect from a 20 y.o ruck.