Match Committee - Round 2 vs Adelaide

[Mantis]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Exactly. Cross still has plenty to offer us.

But the point AW made is relevant in that it's going to be hard to fit all our one-pacers in the team .ie. Gia, Cross, Boyd, Libba, Smith, Wallis & Higgins.

At present Wallis probably misses, but if he performs well at Willi we need to get games into him for his own development.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I have trouble understanding why so many people want Wallis to be dropped... i thought he showed a few signs on the weekend.... Playing at AFL level can only help his development......

The first question asked before anyone is selected is "Is a guy good enough to be a premiership player by 2014/15?" or "will a player help our younger players develop enough to be premiership players in 2014/15" ...... Dont pick them if the answer is no......

Wallis will be good enough in time....he seems to be finding it ball better at AFL level...... his disposal efficiancy was 72% (Not great but better than 13 others)....

I noticed that Addison is listed as 100% disposal efficiency...... Well done...... I hope you stick it to the doubters this year....

I'm with you on Wallis. Very harsh judgement on him so far by many. If you think back to Cross and Boyd's early careers - Cross spent his first 10 games running around not getting the ball at all, and Boyd was a fill in back flanker from the rookie list who only got a game when we had injuries. Both improved out of sight and have had very good careers. Wallis has plenty of time - and this is the time for him to develop.

We as supporters need to exercise a bit of patience, both with players, and the side as a whole. Its not so much about how we go this week, and this year - its about building towards our next strong side.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I'd be surprised if Griffen plays. No inside knowledge but haven't heard anyone from the club say yes Griffen will play.

It was plastered on the Herald Sun website yesterday that Daniel Cross said Griffen will play.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

At present Wallis probably misses, but if he performs well at Willi we need to get games into him for his own development.

I'm happy to leave him in the team for his own development. He was yo-yoed last season and I'd rather let him have 4 - 5 games in a row at AFL level before even considering dropping him. Let the kid find his feet because he was taken high people don't seem to have as much patience.

[Mofra]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

And regardless of what any of us think on here, it is apparent that he is popular amongst his team mates and the coaches value what he brings to the team.

No 1 for scoring involvements at the club last year.
Cross has limitations, but has attributes too that rarely seem to be acknolwledged by his own fans.

[azabob]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

It was plastered on the Herald Sun website yesterday that Daniel Cross said Griffen will play.

Thanks.

That will teach me for not reading the herald sun.....

[SlimPickens]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I'm with you on Wallis. Very harsh judgement on him so far by many. If you think back to Cross and Boyd's early careers - Cross spent his first 10 games running around not getting the ball at all, and Boyd was a fill in back flanker from the rookie list who only got a game when we had injuries. Both improved out of sight and have had very good careers. Wallis has plenty of time - and this is the time for him to develop.

We as supporters need to exercise a bit of patience, both with players, and the side as a whole. Its not so much about how we go this week, and this year - its about building towards our next strong side.

Agree just re-watched the game and thought Wallis was far from our worst. Some of his contested work was very impressive as well as his use by hand. It was one of his better games so far and i'd like to see him get a good run at it with a number of games at AFL level.

I also agree that we need patience. We are no longer a contender but a developing side. We need to put game time into the players that are going to be taking us to our next tilt at the top four and hopefully a premiership.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Agree just re-watched the game and thought Wallis was far from our worst. Some of his contested work was very impressive as well as his use by hand. It was one of his better games so far and i'd like to see him get a good run at it with a number of games at AFL level.

I also agree that we need patience. We are no longer a contender but a developing side. We need to put game time into the players that are going to be taking us to our next tilt at the top four and hopefully a premiership.

I think your right about Wallis. Even though he is nothing special atm (refer to Dahlhaus) we can all see an improvement in him and as you mentioned we are not a title contender. I dont mind him on the bench and getting game time as he isnt exactly our worst player and always tries his hardest.

[comrade]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I'm with you on Wallis. Very harsh judgement on him so far by many. If you think back to Cross and Boyd's early careers - Cross spent his first 10 games running around not getting the ball at all, and Boyd was a fill in back flanker from the rookie list who only got a game when we had injuries. Both improved out of sight and have had very good careers. Wallis has plenty of time - and this is the time for him to develop.

We as supporters need to exercise a bit of patience, both with players, and the side as a whole. Its not so much about how we go this week, and this year - its about building towards our next strong side.

Whilst I agree with you, the expectation on Wallis should be much higher due to the 'price' we paid to get him (first round pick). I think he'll turn out to be a good player and I was as bullish on him as anyone pre-draft, but it's another example of us having used a first round pick on a player with some significant deficiencies.

[stefoid]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

out : wallis, howard, dickson
in: grif, DJ, cordy

[Mantis]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Whilst I agree with you, the expectation on Wallis should be much higher due to the 'price' we paid to get him (first round pick). I think he'll turn out to be a good player and I was as bullish on him as anyone pre-draft, but it's another example of us having used a first round pick on a player with some significant deficiencies.

But he wasn't a first rounder by choice, rather we were forced into it by the F/S bidding system.

If by this system we had taken Libba as the 1st rounder and Wallis as the 2nd rounder would we be questioning the decision?... Many recruiters rated them this way (it was rumoured Dalrymple did too), but in the end the order doesn't really matter.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Whilst I agree with you, the expectation on Wallis should be much higher due to the 'price' we paid to get him (first round pick). I think he'll turn out to be a good player and I was as bullish on him as anyone pre-draft, but it's another example of us having used a first round pick on a player with some significant deficiencies.

He's played 7 games, and he is no longer the 'top dog' in terms of being the ball winner like he was at Calder. Different players adjust differently to moving up to the significantly higher level. When Boyd and Cross are getting it 70 times between them - there's only so much footy to go around. And Libba appears to have been more suited to the step up so far.

I don't think you can label him with 'significant deficiencies' after 7 games of AFL footy.

[SlimPickens]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Whilst I agree with you, the expectation on Wallis should be much higher due to the 'price' we paid to get him (first round pick). I think he'll turn out to be a good player and I was as bullish on him as anyone pre-draft, but it's another example of us having used a first round pick on a player with some significant deficiencies.

The price that we paid for Wallis was dictated by the other teams in the competition. Maybe as a general rule our expectations on first/second year players has increased due to immediate impact some are having (Selwood, Heppell etc). The majority however need time to develop and i put Mitch in that basket.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

In - Griffen, DJ

Out - Howard, Roughead

I think we go small for this one. Adelaide only have Jacobs rucking with Tippett giving him a chopout. Jones can play this role for us

They won't stretch us forward as much as West Coast did, Lake to take Tippet, Marko on Walker and Wood on Porps. Hargave on the third tall (Lynch/Henderson)

Dickson so start sub.

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Thanks.

That will teach me for not reading the herald sun.....

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