Match Committee - Round 2 vs Adelaide

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Sherman looked better in 2011 for sure but I watched the VFL game on Saturday and DJ was far superior. His ball handling and disposal were very good. He was an emergency for the Dogs last week and would be a strong chance to play against Adelaide. If Griff doesn't pull up then I think he's a certainty.

Are you saying Sherman does not run around in circles like DJ?

Thanks Prince. I haven't had the benefit of seeing the DJ and its great to hear he looks to have improved significantly. While he occasionally does look like a chook with its head removed, Sherman also is a proven AFL performer and goal kicker who runs in straight lines as well as in circles. My recollections of DJ in the AFL last year were of someone well below AFL quality who could get the ball but then had no idea what to do with it, running around in circles on the spot.

Des, why answer a question with a question? I was looking for an answer on why people were putting DJ up for selection, PI above had an intelligent crack at this. I have not seen the guy play this year. Your initial answer(another question) was also hard to fathom the point you were trying to make.

We as supporters need to exercise a bit of patience, both with players, and the side as a whole. Its not so much about how we go this week, and this year - its about building towards our next strong side.

I like what your saying.

[mighty_west]

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Whilst I agree with you, the expectation on Wallis should be much higher due to the 'price' we paid to get him (first round pick). I think he'll turn out to be a good player and I was as bullish on him as anyone pre-draft, but it's another example of us having used a first round pick on a player with some significant deficiencies.

Many players, even highly rated juniors have significant defiencies when stepping up to the big league, Clay Smith also has some in regarding his skills,

i also remember a certain Dane Swan trying to find his feet for a long time, he turned out ok, some of these kids no matter on how they are rated as juniors just take longer than others.

[Desipura]

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Thanks Prince. I haven't had the benefit of seeing the DJ and its great to hear he looks to have improved significantly. While he occasionally does look like a chook with its head removed, Sherman also is a proven AFL performer and goal kicker who runs in straight lines as well as in circles. My recollections of DJ in the AFL last year were of someone well below AFL quality who could get the ball but then had no idea what to do with it, running around in circles on the spot.

Des, why answer a question with a question? I was looking for an answer on why people were putting DJ up for selection, PI above had an intelligent crack at this. I have not seen the guy play this year. Your initial answer(another question) was also hard to fathom the point you were trying to make.




I like what your saying.

Ok, what I am saying is both run around in circles, maybe DJ runs an extra circle (I guess that could be called the figure eight)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I've been harsh on Wallis, and I am still very critical of his overall game ad what he actually brings to the table -- but he played OK on the weekend. He won a few contested balls and his disposal was better.

He just needs to keep it really simple with his disposal.

Sadly, so does three quarters of the team..

[jeemak]

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The price that we paid for Wallis was dictated by the other teams in the competition. Maybe as a general rule our expectations on first/second year players has increased due to immediate impact some are having (Selwood, Heppell etc). The majority however need time to develop and i put Mitch in that basket.

The price we paid for Wallis was dictated by our football department, not the other teams. Perhaps you're right and I'm naive, though I really hope sentimentality didn't come into the selection.

[Greystache]

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Agree just re-watched the game and thought Wallis was far from our worst. Some of his contested work was very impressive as well as his use by hand. It was one of his better games so far and i'd like to see him get a good run at it with a number of games at AFL level.

I also agree that we need patience. We are no longer a contender but a developing side. We need to put game time into the players that are going to be taking us to our next tilt at the top four and hopefully a premiership.

I thought it was probably his best game for the club, having said that I still think he should go back to Willi this week.

The problem is he's a player type we just have too many of at the moment, and of that player type he's producing the least (eg Boyd, Cross, Libba, Smith). The team is unbalanced and we need more run, and while giving young players game time and developing them is important, we can't have an unbalanced team where some players are having to play a role that doesn't suit them, eg Boyd trying to drill passes into the forward line.

If we're going to take a purely developmental approach we have to look to give players like Wallis game time in front of players who deserve it more. Personally I can't see a new coach taking that approach after 1 round of footy.

[Missing-Dog]

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Clay Smith and Wallis to have around 12-15 game this year (rotate, if 1 plays the other doesnt)

Even though we already are loving Smith I think it is important we dont throw him in too early. Limit the amount of games they play with more experienced player around them this year which should see them take another step by next season.

I think its jsut as important for the young guys to play with the experienced guys as they will learn a few things throughout the course of the year. Rather then playing all the kids as much as possible and letting them learn on their own. (e.g Richmond and Melbourne )

[azabob]

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or the entire thread

Are you referring to your post yesterday? I was unsure were you got that info from.

[comrade]

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I don't think you can label him with 'significant deficiencies' after 7 games of AFL footy.

I think you can, but he has time to overcome them just as Swan, Boyd and Cross have.

But, these guys weren't first round picks and you expect lower picks to have areas of their game that require serious work.

[LostDoggy]

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But Cross is only one game into a 2 year contract... It would be a waste of money to have playing at Willi for all that time.

No club has ever wasted money on players? Regardless of contracts we need to pick the side that will take us forward. If Cross or any other senior players plays in the seconds to give players experience I can see no issue with that.

[SlimPickens]

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The price we paid for Wallis was dictated by our football department, not the other teams. Perhaps you're right and I'm naive, though I really hope sentimentality didn't come into the selection.

That's not true, it's a bidding system. We said that we would take Wallis and Libba under father son selection it was than the other clubs which put a pick against them. Port Adelaide said they would use their first pick which meant we had to match it to get the player, exactly the same thing happened with Libba with Sydney offering their second pick.

[mighty_west]

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No club has ever wasted money on players? Regardless of contracts we need to pick the side that will take us forward. If Cross or any other senior players plays in the seconds to give players experience I can see no issue with that.

Agreed, i'd much rather pump games into players like Wallis, we are clearly in a re-building phase, it's a no brainer regardless of players contracts, Mulligan was given a contract [for whatever reason] and has and will most likely play out most of this season at Willy.

[jeemak]

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That's not true, it's a bidding system. We said that we would take Wallis and Libba under father son selection it was than the other clubs which put a pick against them. Port Adelaide said they would use their first pick which meant we had to match it to get the player, exactly the same thing happened with Libba with Sydney offering their second pick.

If we didn't think either were worth the picks other teams were willing to pay for them we weren't obliged to pick them. The rules provide for this as a safety net against teams bluffing to force clubs to use lower picks.

[SlimPickens]

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If we didn't think either were worth the picks other teams were willing to pay for them we weren't obliged to pick them. The rules provide for this as a safety net against teams bluffing to force clubs to use lower picks.

Very true and all that implies is that we weren't the only team that rated Wallis highly.

[SlimPickens]

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Anyways back to the thread topic, after re-watching the game i'd make 2 changes

Out: Howard, Roughy
In:Griffen, Cordy