Credit where it is due

[FrediKanoute]

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Hope we're not going down the old path of criticizing supporters for accepting mediocrity again. Reality is most on this board expected a humiliation last night including me. Was pleasantly surprised in the performance. Still a long way to go but I think most are simply looking for continuous improvement.

Next week will tell the real story. We need to back up that effort with more of the same.

Couldn't agree more. I hate losing, but watching the guys keep it a contest and a winnable contest for 3.5 quarters was great. To me it showed that the game plan being developed is slowly starting to come together which bodes well for the latter part of 2012. Disappointing we lost but definitely encouraging signs.

[Desipura]

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Sounds like your the one celebrating an honourable loss. I for one hate honourable losses.

I don't know what just happened there, Ghost dog was quoting himself but making out like I said it, bizarre.

[stefoid]

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Too much credit I believe. Great effort but we lost.

Theres no 'we're good again' switch. Getting good again is going to take time. Last night was definitely improvement.

[Eastdog]

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Theres no 'we're good again' switch. Getting good again is going to take time. Last night was definitely improvement.

It is a matter of patience. We will come good again but it will take time. I agree that last night was a good sign.

[FrediKanoute]

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I hope we are not going down the path of clapping our team off the ground after a creditable loss.

I think we are in a rebuild so clapping effort is probably a realistic thing to be doing at the moment.....last night game was a great effort especially pleasing that the guys who played well were the younger guys and not the class of 2000.

[LostDoggy]

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So it's as simple as a win is good and a loss is bad? .

Short answer. Yes

I actually thought we played better last night with the loss than we did last week with the win.

Don't worry about the "thought" we did play better against Collingwood. But which do you rather the loss or the win?

[The Underdog]

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Is it possible that I like following football slightly less after reading this thread?
The theory that people can't clap their team off after a loss is frankly baffling. Football supporters do and will do whatever they want at the football. Is people clapping their players off after a loss worse than a supporter maligning a player from their own team for 120 minutes during a win? Does it contribute more to an overall losing aesthetic throughout the history of a team? Does it make a jot of *!*!*!*!ing difference? I'd suggest no. Are Geelong currently a successful team because their supporters stopped applauding effort around 2006 or because they drafted magnificently and installed a game plan that had complete buy in from those players?

I distinctly remember after a 1 point loss to Geelong at Docklands making the effort to walk over to the race and clap the players off, because they had played magnificently and left everything on the ground. Did my accepting effort over result contribute to us not winning the premiership that year or since?

Was I happy after Friday night?
Kind of. I thought our game had come together for longer and more completely than it had in any game this season and we'd shown improvement.
Was I disappointed at the result? Absolutely.
Maybe I'm too accepting of the middle ground but realistically among 25000 members, people will react differently to different situations and to say one is right or wrong when the ultimate influence on result is almost negligible, seems pointless.
Ghost Dog started this thread to acknowledge some positives out of Friday night. It's devolved into a back and forth about supporter involvement which I've now contributed to (or not). I don't think we can deny there were positives out of Friday. Winning the game wasn't one of them.

[LostDoggy]

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It is a matter of patience. We will come good again but it will take time. I agree that last night was a good sign.

Sorry I'm a bit sick of being patience. Good times come again? Unfortunately I missed the one and only time.
Taking time? Isn't nearly 60 years enough.

[Ghost Dog]

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I don't know what just happened there, Ghost dog was quoting himself but making out like I said it, bizarre.

I hope we are not going down the path of clapping our team off the ground after a creditable loss.

And I notice I\m not the only one that is happy to encourage a team in development, while being disappointed with the loss.

Proud of the effort the lads showed, but do not accept that is the best they can do.

[GVGjr]

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Don't worry about the "thought" we did play better against Collingwood. But which do you rather the loss or the win?

Does this question really need to be asked? The thread title is "credit where it is due" and I think Friday nights effort was pretty good. We would all prefer a win but I see no problems with acknowledging a good performance even in a loss. Tough talk is just that and it won't change the outcome of games.

[LostDoggy]

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Last night a great deal many individuals who are often potted on these forums had amazing match day moments. These are not consistent efforts over a period of time, granted.
However, time to identify which player has frustrated you, and why their effort and impact on the game was positive to you last night.

Was out of my seat with Easton Wood's game. The obvious turnaround in form.

Cross was great last night, and was an important player. Someone mentioned 91% by foot. Well done Crossy.

It really did,nt surprise me that your thread was detonated off the rails GD

I was happy to give Mark Austin some credit

It would be good if some posts were actually in line with the thread , I,m interested in reading about other peoples positive posts about an individual player

.

[Eastdog]

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Is it possible that I like following football slightly less after reading this thread?
The theory that people can't clap their team off after a loss is frankly baffling. Football supporters do and will do whatever they want at the football. Is people clapping their players off after a loss worse than a supporter maligning a player from their own team for 120 minutes during a win? Does it contribute more to an overall losing aesthetic throughout the history of a team? Does it make a jot of *!*!*!*!ing difference? I'd suggest no. Are Geelong currently a successful team because their supporters stopped applauding effort around 2006 or because they drafted magnificently and installed a game plan that had complete buy in from those players?

I distinctly remember after a 1 point loss to Geelong at Docklands making the effort to walk over to the race and clap the players off, because they had played magnificently and left everything on the ground. Did my accepting effort over result contribute to us not winning the premiership that year or since?

Was I happy after Friday night?
Kind of. I thought our game had come together for longer and more completely than it had in any game this season and we'd shown improvement.
Was I disappointed at the result? Absolutely.
Maybe I'm too accepting of the middle ground but realistically among 25000 members, people will react differently to different situations and to say one is right or wrong when the ultimate influence on result is almost negligible, seems pointless.
Ghost Dog started this thread to acknowledge some positives out of Friday night. It's devolved into a back and forth about supporter involvement which I've now contributed to (or not). I don't think we can deny there were positives out of Friday. Winning the game wasn't one of them.

Good post The Underdog.

[F'scary]

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Massive, massive call to say Neeld has lost the players and the club. Gut feeling or do you have proof of this? Which of their players has he "set against each other" ?

From reading the news in the papers (& sorry cannot lay hands on quotes), shortly after taking office, Neeld effectively demoted the players in the leadership group (including captains) & promoted young, more or less untried players into the leadership group, including a co-captaincy arrangement between two younger players. This has caused friction.

His manner at the first couple of post match press conferences came across as blame the players - e.g. he made a bitter sounding crack along the lines of "well, I won't be taking the same midfield with me" after round 1 in response about preparing for the next game. He then spent time during the week trying to water down or remodel how he had came across and what he had said.

Then there was the curious incident where Mifsud appeared to have disclosed a private conversation with Aaron Davey which he then belatedly had to backtrack on to, it seemed to me, avoid further harming Davey (who was also very angry with Mifsud) by saying he had misquoted or wrongly identified Davey. Either way you choose to interpret the incident there is a problem with the coach: if he didn't treat the indiginous players differently (patronisingly), then why did Davey, a senior player, have a conversation with Mifsud (whose side the AFL took) - implication is that he must have a serious problem with the coach. If Neeld did treat players differently, then he caused friction with one or more of his players. Of course, you may choose to believe that there was a complete misunderstanding between Mifsud & Davey over what was said in their conversation.

But maybe you are correct and I've made far to massive a call on Neeld. I just reckon Macca would have done things differently (& better) from day one based on what he has done with us.

[LostDoggy]

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Does this question really need to be asked? The thread title is "credit where it is due" and I think Friday nights effort was pretty good. We would all prefer a win but I see no problems with acknowledging a good performance even in a loss. Tough talk is just that and it won't change the outcome of games.

As wont painting pretty pictures.
My gripe was that there were 2 positive post threads after the pies game before this thread was started.

[LostDoggy]

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Mark Austin just knuckled down and competed with Dawes , got out positioned a couple of times and was caught out by Dawes ability to tap to advantage but he justified the faith in him to get the job done , we threw him a lifeline to get his career back on track , with Williams out and Markovic out we needed another tall defender to shoulder the load and Mark certainly took up the challenge




.

Pleased to read this about Austin. Interestingly, I had a couple of mates who follow other teams comment that Mark Austin looked like a handy player too.