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  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775

    #76
    Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

    Originally posted by bornadog
    I think we know he is the head of the football department.
    What we don't know is the level of control he exerts over his direct reports. Some would have us believe that nobody but Fantastia had any say over list management, trading, contract negotiation, or list management. Bascially the coaching staff don't do anything other than move the players on match day, and the recruiter give advice on the best available player in type set out by the Head of Football. Obviously that's completely rediculous.

    If that was the case then Fantasia needs to be fired purely for a lack of management skills. He is surrounded by people who are supposed to be experts in their designated area, why would people expect him to be the the decision maker in all things football? A good manager should have confidence in their workers and empower them to do their jobs. He may not be a good operator, and some subjective evidence suggest he's not, but the level of blame allocated on Fantasia is out of proportion.

    It reminds me of when a rogue trader at a bank breaches internal controls and loses billions in unauthorised trades, the media and average shareholder demands the CEO be sacked. Do they want him sacked because he failed in his duty to prevent the event happening? No, they want him sacked because he's in charge and most people don't know anything about who is directly responsible for what.
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    • Sedat
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2007
      • 11263

      #77
      Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

      ^^^^^^^^

      Too easy an out for Fantasia. He is directly responsible for a number of key elements within the footy dept. He and nobody else is directly responsible for player contract negotiations - on this measurable alone, he has grossly underperformed in the last 3 years and should be sacked.
      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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      • Greystache
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Dec 2009
        • 9775

        #78
        Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

        Originally posted by Sedat
        ^^^^^^^^

        Too easy an out for Fantasia. He is directly responsible for a number of key elements within the footy dept. He and nobody else is directly responsible for player contract negotiations - on this measurable alone, he has grossly underperformed in the last 3 years and should be sacked.
        Should Chris Grant be sacked?

        Fantasia is Head of Football Operations, if he is so obviously failing in his duties surely his superior is failing in his responsibility to oversee him.
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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 21836

          #79
          Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

          Originally posted by Sedat
          ^^^^^^^^

          Too easy an out for Fantasia. He is directly responsible for a number of key elements within the footy dept. He and nobody else is directly responsible for player contract negotiations - on this measurable alone, he has grossly underperformed in the last 3 years and should be sacked.
          What would you say he has done well in his time at the club? Is it all bad news, or do you believe he has had some wins along the way?

          I was disappointed in his handling of Ward in particular, and the upgrading of Hooper and Mulligan.

          Lake held the club over a barrel and there wasn't a lot the club could have done other than take the action it did. As for the DJ contract and usage of a draft pick when not necessary I don't think it's had a huge impact either way.
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #80
            Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

            Originally posted by Greystache
            Should Chris Grant be sacked?

            Fantasia is Head of Football Operations, if he is so obviously failing in his duties surely his superior is failing in his responsibility to oversee him.
            For 1 year in the job?

            If he is there for 5 years with the same results, I suspect he'll take responsiblity and resign without having to be sacked.

            Loved Chris Grant on the field and as captain but not sure why that means he'll always be right as a board member/football director/coach selection panel member anyway?

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            • AndrewP6
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2009
              • 8142

              #81
              Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

              Originally posted by stefoid

              Seems like everyone who has something to do with him professionally is backing him, so either he is the worlds biggest con and B/S artist, or he actually does know his stuff.
              Or... they're wrong?
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              • whythelongface
                Coaching Staff
                • Jan 2007
                • 4492

                #82
                Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                Originally posted by Remi Moses
                Might as well get Marty Mcfly as coach head back to the 80's and call ourselves Richmond.
                Not quite sure what you are getting at, as I have previously stated that I am in support of McCartney and giving him time to develop our list, however moving forward he needs to be assessed on an annual basis to ensure that we are developing both individually and as a team.

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                • whythelongface
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 4492

                  #83
                  Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                  Originally posted by AndrewP6
                  Or... they're wrong?
                  Maybe they are but it is too early to tell.

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                  • AndrewP6
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 8142

                    #84
                    Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                    Originally posted by whythelongface
                    Maybe they are but it is too early to tell.
                    But not to form an opinion!
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                    • whythelongface
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 4492

                      #85
                      Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                      Originally posted by AndrewP6
                      But not to form an opinion!
                      Absolutely. At this stage nobody is right or wrong just that we have differing opinions.

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44675

                        #86
                        Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                        Originally posted by Chops
                        Again the defenders of Fantasia point to Eade.
                        Who is defending Fantasia? Once he is out of contract I think he will have to weave some magic to get another one. The only thing that saved Monty last year was his contract.
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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44675

                          #87
                          Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                          Originally posted by Maddog37
                          So bottom line, get rid of Fantasia and the coach and recruiter get one more year to show something.

                          Is that what people want?
                          It's not what we should want but it's an expectation that the club makes positive changes. If that means getting new coaches or a different GM of footy operations then we should expect the club to make those decisions.

                          We are reluctant to pay people out but once their contracts are up we should expect the club to look at what is available in the market. If there are better people then we should look to make the change.
                          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                          • Remi Moses
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 14785

                            #88
                            Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                            Originally posted by Chops
                            For 1 year in the job?

                            If he is there for 5 years with the same results, I suspect he'll take responsiblity and resign without having to be sacked.

                            Loved Chris Grant on the field and as captain but not sure why that means he'll always be right as a board member/football director/coach selection panel member anyway?
                            He was on the coaching commitee panel that appointed the bloke you want sacked!
                            More Chops gold

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                            • Remi Moses
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 14785

                              #89
                              Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                              Originally posted by whythelongface
                              Not quite sure what you are getting at, as I have previously stated that I am in support of McCartney and giving him time to develop our list, however moving forward he needs to be assessed on an annual basis to ensure that we are developing both individually and as a team.
                              I agree, pointing out that a few on here who want McCartney out .

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                              • LostDoggy
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8307

                                #90
                                Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

                                Originally posted by Greystache
                                Should Chris Grant be sacked?
                                Chris Grant has about 1000 awesomeness points to use before he can be sacked.

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