Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I guess it really depends on who we get at 21/ 41 and how they perform long term. It's a risk and I suppose you have to take them.
Breaks my heart really - one of my favourite players. Would have liked a lot higher than 41.\

And perhaps Hawthorn was the only option? As the reality is, when he becomes a free agent, we will get a lot less.
Now it looks like we are putting our hat in the ring for Dawes..... Not sure I like that at all.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

If you want to feed the rage (as I do). We swapped two end of first round pretty much and gained an early 40's pick. Yes I realise it's "notionally" a first rounder but we've frankly upgraded a round 2 by 6 points. It ain't great and its got to be a Hawthorn win looked at dispassionately. Shizer of a day

Don't I know it Superdog. I read a tweet at work and it said we got pick 21, I thought to myself that's about right. By the time I got home I found out we'd given them #27 and got #41 as well. The rage virus sunk in not long after that.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

From a Carlton friend of mine who I have no reason to doubt. He saw Brian at Auskick in Caroline Springs the morning of the Carlton game and when he asked Brian how they'd go tonight, Brian replied, 'we're crap, gonna get flogged'.

Now whether tongue in cheek or whatever, not something you want to hear from anyone at the club.
I rated Brian since day 1 (still remember him running around in the 2's and thinking he was going to be good) but he is hardly the 'clubman' type and all the best chasing premierships elsewhere.

Let's not rate this trade on how well or poorly he goes at Hawthorn but as to how we go with drafting from the picks we got in the trade.

Well said. The reality is, it may come down to his attitude or lack of it, and how that is percieved by Bmac.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Whilst I'm struggling somewhat to rationalise why we needed to give up our pick 27 to make this deal happen can I at least share with you a snapshot of what our table, which did include some past greats of our Club, observed at the B&F last Saturday night from table Lake and Cooney who were sitting close by. I should preface this by stating that I'm questioning the cultural value rather than that of their football ability which is unquestionable.

Matthew Boyd, after being announced our three time Club Champion, was delivering his heartfelt acceptance speech whilst these two were totally engulfed in childlike behaviour playing iPhones.

This untimely, inappropriate behaviour did not go unnoticed from those around.

This from two of our supposed leaders who should be driving a culture that demands respect, ruthlessness and professionalism.

The observation was passed on the table that these two are just 'ferals'.

A small example maybe but gee it stood out as very disrespectful to someone who busts a gut like few others.

Thanks for this Doc. Makes me feel better already about this trade. Bring on another Matty Boyd. From Franga seconds to GLORY!

[Scraggers]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I'm not that disappointed we lost Lake ... To be quite honest, I've had a bad taste in my mouth since the contract negotiations and the run-in(s) with Rocket two seasons ago when he flatly refused because he was 'injured'.

I'm also not disappointed that we don't have to pay out his contract ... I think he was getting way too much for what he could offer.

What I am disappointed with is the deal itself ... I know, I know ... I've just finished saying how much I didn't want him and then turn around and say I wanted more for him ... But I don't know how the deal could have been sweetened with Hawthorn (who have been chasing him for three seasons if you believe the speculation).

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Its not a real first round pick, its really a second round pick.

I give up BAD. How do you respond to that? It's getting pretty hard to find any motivation to come to this site in the face of this unrelenting negativity.

It is a first round pick we gained. 21 is a first round pick. Play it down and shit on it all you like, but it is a real first round pick and not a second round pick.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I'm not that disappointed we lost Lake ... To be quite honest, I've had a bad taste in my mouth since the contract negotiations and the run-in(s) with Rocket two seasons ago when he flatly refused because he was 'injured'.

He had three surgeries, IIRC. Hard to fake that.

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Thanks for this Doc. Makes me feel better already about this trade. Bring on another Matty Boyd. From Franga seconds to GLORY!

Glory?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I give up BAD. How do you respond to that? It's getting pretty hard to find any motivation to come to this site in the face of this unrelenting negativity.

It is a first round pick we gained. 21 is a first round pick. Play it down and shit on it all you like, but it is a real first round pick and not a second round pick.

Technically it's a first round pick. Don't polish it up that much though, it's the 3rd last pick in the round and we jumped a measly 6 places to get there. It doesn't fill me with any excitement at all.

[The Cowshed]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I give up BAD. How do you respond to that? It's getting pretty hard to find any motivation to come to this site in the face of this unrelenting negativity.

It is a first round pick we gained. 21 is a first round pick. Play it down and shit on it all you like, but it is a real first round pick and not a second round pick.

Doesn't matter what round it is, facts are it is just 6 spots higher than what we already had. On the outer we got dudded but theres obviously more to it that we're not privy to. Perhaps the club could appease the bulk of supporters with an explaination...

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Technically it's a first round pick. Don't polish it up that much though, it's the 3rd last pick in the round and we jumped a measly 6 places to get there. It doesn't fill me with any excitement at all.

I'm not excited either. I hate that this has happened, but why put the worst possible spin on every issue? Following my beloved Bulldogs used to be one of the great joys in my life, but I feel totally depressed about it after spending ten minutes on here.

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Doesn't matter what round it is, facts are it is just 6 spots higher than what we already had. On the outer we got dudded but theres obviously more to it that we're not privy to. Perhaps the club could appease the bulk of supporters with an explaination...

What would you like to hear?

That the coach didn't see eye to eye with the player and we have to chose to part company... I reckon that's it in a nutshell.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I'm not excited either. I hate that this has happened, but why put the worst possible spin on every issue? Following my beloved Bulldogs used to be one of the great joys in my life, but I feel totally depressed about it after spending ten minutes on here.

I'd love to put a positive spin on this deal and I can't find any. Sorry I can't cheer you up mate.

[The Cowshed]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

What would you like to hear?

That the coach didn't see eye to eye with the player and we have to chose to part company... I reckon that's it in a nutshell.

Yes, wasn't the coach wanting to get to know his players on a personal level, make them better people thus better players...he's taken one of our best players away from the spot he thrived in...what message did that send Brian and what did it do to his confidence and faith in those at the club?

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Yes, wasn't the coach wanting to get to know his players on a personal level, make them better people thus better players...he's taken one of our best players away from the spot he thrived in...what message did that send Brian and what did it do to his confidence and faith in those at the club?

I think the coach put a few in the 'too hard basket' and is putting time into the ones who he thinks can take us forward... hopefully he is right.

But he is going to get a few off-side along the way... hopefully he is good at mending relationships.