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[F'scary]

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We have 5 rookies, one of whom can be elevated to the main list prior to round 1. I assume the club wants the 5 rookies to fight for the remaining spot on the senior list. Pre-season training will have a bit of spice.

This is good.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I'm very happy with this pick - running defenders with good disposal are looking close to our greatest weakness at the moment. The players ahead of Goodes have the chance to claim their spots (yes Howard and Wood, I'm looking at you), but we have precious little depth and based on last year's form and Murphy to the forward line, Goodes would fit straight into the team.

Players used to be at their peak around his age - that's changed, but his body should still be able to cope with wear and tear a bit more having endured less battering than AFL provides.

The other point in favour of this is that we've lost a generation of players with the later Clayton drafts and the kids still need some leaders on the track - we've got them in the midfield, here's one who can do that down back.

In fact, thinking about this, with Murphy going up forward and Lake gone fishing, our backline is going to be very, very young. Can't hurt it to be able to put in someone with experience who plays the game the right way.

I couldn't agree more.

How many young untried and inexperienced kids do we need on our list? Melbourne went down this path and failed miserably. Truth is, the young players need older heads around them to push them, motivate them, teach them and look after them. Goodes is the perfect option for this role and should be a good pick for 2 or so years.

Bit speculative but what rookie pick isn't? He is a big body around some smaller young defenders, not baffled by it at all.

One selection out of 6 being over 18 isn't a big deal surely?

As always, agree with you Slim. Every list needs a balance.

We have 5 rookies, one of whom can be elevated to the main list prior to round 1. I assume the club wants the 5 rookies to fight for the remaining spot on the senior list. Pre-season training will have a bit of spice.

This could/would be a fantastic idea and incentive for those guys on the rookie list. I applaud the club if this is their line of thinking.

Too many supporters fixate themselves "on the future", but even when you are rebuilding like we currently are, you still need to pay respects to the present - which ironically also helps shape the future.

[GVGjr]

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Welcome Brett to the Doggies i know you wont waste this chance good luck.

[Before I Die]

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Lake, Gilbee, Hargrave gone. Morris under a cloud. Murthy touted to go forward and indications are that Williams may also be looking at a forward posting. Where is the flaw in the logic of bringing in an experienced, sure handed player who makes good decisions under pressure? And he is well known and respected by the young defenders who he may be called on to marshall in our defensive half. Excellent choice in my opinion.

[GVGjr]

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We have 5 rookies, one of whom can be elevated to the main list prior to round 1. I assume the club wants the 5 rookies to fight for the remaining spot on the senior list. Pre-season training will have a bit of spice.

I think its essentially a race between Goodes and Austin for a spot. Not a bad position.

[Sedat]

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Echo the thoughts of RT and TBB. Goodes instantly adds depths in an area crying out for it, and as rightly pointed out he has out-performed Prismall and Bate on merit on the training track. Pleasantly surprised by the selections of both Lower and Goodes, who both add far more balance to the list than Prismall and Bate would have. Also love the rookie aspect to the pick and the fierce competitive tension it will instill on the training track.

Surprised by the level of negativity at this selection.

[GVGjr]

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Baffling pick up, totally goes against what the coach promised us.

You seem to be very focused on that point but from my perspective I don't think he has broken a promise.

[GVGjr]

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Echo the thoughts of RT and TBB. Goodes instantly adds depths in an area crying out for it, and as rightly pointed out he has out-performed Prismall and Bate on merit on the training track. Pleasantly surprised by the selections of both Lower and Goodes, who both add far more balance to the list than Prismall and Bate would have. Also love the rookie aspect to the pick and the fierce competitive tension it will instill on the training track.

Surprised by the level of negativity at this selection.

Great summary.

Sedat, how did you rate our performance at the draft and trade tables this year?
To me losing Lake was a bitter pill but I think we have a better list now than what we did 12 months back. This year has been more methodical than previous years.
The easy option would have been to take Prismall but we resisted that.

[Sedat]

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Great summary.

Sedat, how did you rate our performance at the draft and trade tables this year?
To me losing Lake was a bitter pill but I think we have a better list now than what we did 12 months back. This year has been more methodical than previous years.
The easy option would have been to take Prismall but we resisted that.

Agree that we have been methodical and worked to a plan in the off season. The trading of Lake was fine for where our list is at but we were far too generous to Hawthorn. We could have picked up exactly the same players in trade week and the national draft and kept pick 27, which would have netted us Tim O'Brien, and culled one extra filler on the list like Veszpremi. Otherwise I'm much happier with the balance of our list now than it was 6 weeks ago.

[Bornadog]

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You seem to be very focused on that point but from my perspective I don't think he has broken a promise.

I know we have discussed this before , but as far as I am concerned I thought the coach was on the right track by getting rid of a bunch of players that were not good enough to play AFL and a few who had reached an age where their best years were behind them. The coach said he would not be chasing any stars or older players but rather 18 year olds or those in the system a couple of years. I know this is a PSD, but I can't agree to having a 29 year old on the rookie list.

Surprised by the level of negativity at this selection.

The guy is 29 years old - complete waste of a rookie/Senior spot. We are in a rebuild mode, we don't need another 29 year old unproven (at AFL) player.

Surely if we wanted to go down this path we could have picked a 24/25 year old VFL player? Have a look at who Collingwood picked. = better than Goodes.

[stefoid]

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Not sure about this one at all. Has to be a "culture" or "leadership" decision, but goes against what they said they would do.

Agreed - I suppose they see him benefitting the list through improving the 'culture' of the club even if he doesnt end up playing any games.

[GVGjr]

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I know we have discussed this before , but as far as I am concerned I thought the coach was on the right track by getting rid of a bunch of players that were not good to play AFL and a few who had reached an age where thir bets was behind them. The coach said he would not be chasing any stars or older players but rather 18 year olds or those in the system a couple of years. I know this is a PSD, but I can't agree to having a 29 year old on the rookie list.

I can understand that point from a lot of supporters but the constant references to what he promised is a really minor thing. I strongly doubt he said I promise to only select young players. My gut feel is the said something more along the lines of our intention is to primarily draft young players and to stay away from targeting experienced or star players. The selection of Goodes doesn't undermine that.

I don't think there was another Stevens type that we were interested in and hopefully we took the best of the guys available who trained with us.

[Hotdog60]

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I'm truly excited about the Dogs future and if it includes Goodes so be it. Sure he's 29 but if his body is ok I can see a man desperate to prove something to the footy world and can only lead to someone giving his all.

We'll know soon enough if the powers to be got this years trading right, I'm happy and bring on 2013.

[boydogs]

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Also love the rookie aspect to the pick and the fierce competitive tension it will instill on the training track.

Yeah me too.

[Topdog]

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Picking up a 29 year old is somewhat perplexing. I cant see what it adds from a playing perspective but if the guy can come in for a bargain price, train hard and get rewarded with some games it could do a lot for the culture of the young guys at the club.

Agree with others about loving the rookie being promoted before Round 1. Will make pre season training just a little bit fiercer.