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  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775
    #16
    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

    Originally posted by jeemak
    The diabolical mess that has left us with Boyd, Cross, Murphy, Giansiracusa, Cooney, Griffen, Morris, Picken, Minson and a couple of others as a legacy of the best part of ten years of list development is our issue.

    I'm still not sold on the coach, but the issues are legacy issues more than anything else.
    Exactly. We recruited with no strategy or long term vision and are paying for it now. I'm not sold on the coach either but Ross Lyon would struggle with this list.
    [COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Western Bulldogs:[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="#0000CD"][B]We exist to win premierships[/B][/COLOR]

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      • The Cowshed
        #17
        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

        I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

        Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44459
            #18
            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

            Originally posted by The Cowshed
            I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

            Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.
            It could very well be the other way with skills and running but the foundation of contested football isn't wrong.

            We will add the other pieces but we had to be a side that had a stronger focus on contested football.
            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • boydogs
                WOOF Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 5842
                #19
                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

                He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.
                If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                Formerly gogriff

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                  • Ghost Dog
                    WOOF Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 9404
                    #20
                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                    Originally posted by The Cowshed
                    I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

                    Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.
                    He did swtich Roughy to forward a few weeks ago didn't he?
                    Re-arranging deck chairs. Just need to be better with the ball.
                    I think MJP said it once - it's entertainment. That is a boring way to spend 2 hours, what I just saw. Take the game on a bit more or forget it. All this stuffing around with the pill, only to kick a point from straight in front.
                    We play better with Boyd and Gia out of the side. Sorry lads.
                    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44459
                        #21
                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                        Originally posted by gogriff
                        Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

                        He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.
                        Agreed. The club should review all things at the end of the season not now.
                        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                          • The Cowshed
                            #22
                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                            Yeah, we simply win the contested ball because we flood the contest with numbers which hurts us when it gets out. They are false and misleading stats...

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                              • Mantis
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 15369
                                #23
                                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                Originally posted by gogriff
                                Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

                                He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.
                                Where were we rated for this stat in 2011? I know we were top 5 in our PF years of 2008-10.

                                And our core midfield group are pretty experienced.

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                                  • Ghost Dog
                                    WOOF Member
                                    • May 2010
                                    • 9404
                                    #24
                                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                    Peter Gordon.

                                    President isn't all smiles and PR. it's doing what is needed no matter the cost.
                                    Think all posts after a bad loss need to be taken with a grain of salt....
                                    But we were awful to watch tonight. We showed enough talent to show how little very good talent we have...if this makes sense.
                                    Hack and battle it into the forward line, only to cough it up...time and bloody time again.

                                    I actually did not enjoy this game as a spectacle. It was boring, tiresome, with some patches of Ok footy.
                                    When a short dash from JJ or a snap from Stringer becomes your highlight, woopdy doo.
                                    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                                      • AndrewP6
                                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                                        • Jan 2009
                                        • 8142
                                        #25
                                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                        Originally posted by Mantis
                                        Where were we rated for this stat in 2011? I know we were top 5 in our PF years of 2008-10.
                                        .
                                        Eighth, according to this: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...&sby=23&advv=Y
                                        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                                          • Remi Moses
                                            WOOF Member
                                            • Jan 2009
                                            • 14785
                                            #26
                                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                            Imagine BF
                                            They'd have a contract out on McCartney by now.

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                                              • Mantis
                                                Hall of Fame
                                                • Apr 2007
                                                • 15369
                                                #27
                                                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                                Originally posted by AndrewP6
                                                Eighth, according to this: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...&sby=23&advv=Y
                                                Ok... So we have moved up a couple of spots in this area, but have shown very little improvement in other facets of the game... That has to change.

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                                                  • AndrewP6
                                                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                                                    • Jan 2009
                                                    • 8142
                                                    #28
                                                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                                    Originally posted by Mantis
                                                    Ok... So we have moved up a couple of spots in this area, but have shown very little improvement in other facets of the game... That has to change.
                                                    Agreed.
                                                    [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                                                      • LostDog
                                                        WOOF Member
                                                        • Sep 2007
                                                        • 426
                                                        #29
                                                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                                        Peter Rhode mark 2
                                                        Because you cant beat the boys of the BULLDOG breed!!!!!

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                                                          • LostDoggy
                                                            WOOF Member
                                                            • Jan 2007
                                                            • 8307
                                                            #30
                                                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                                            Originally posted by LostDog
                                                            Peter Rhode mark 2
                                                            Fair dinkum...

                                                            P Rhode - came from Melbourne's losing culture
                                                            Oversaw recruitment of P Street, A Morgan, S Koops, J Rawlins...and L Veale
                                                            Oversaw loss of one of our best players in N Brown while at his peak
                                                            Trade picks that netted H Scotland, D Mundy...
                                                            Oversaw no performance when R Murphy, L Gilbee, B Johnson, S Giansiracusa were peaking and R Smith, C Grant, S West were playing...

                                                            B McCartney
                                                            Widely regarded by respected AFL figures as not just a good coach but a great coach.
                                                            Comes from a high performance culture at the most successful team in the modern era
                                                            Oversaw departure of J Sherman, N Djerkurra, and a bunch of spuds that haven't kicked on
                                                            Traded Lake at the end of his career for effectively Hrovat
                                                            Has inherited an absolute trainwreck of a list.
                                                            Part of recruitment of two of our most promising juniors in years
                                                            Has overseen one of the biggest improvements in an AFL player I have seen (Minson)

                                                            You really think McCartney is the same as Rhode....???? REALLY????

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