Rate Simon Dalrymple

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Can I say that you under-rate Crozier and over-rate Smith?

Not sure how comparing Michie - who couldn't / can't play - with anyone helps? Alex Silvagni is also on the Dockers list and is a really good defender but he has hardly played at Freo either...he would be the best key back on our list and would play every week. Good players DONT always get a game. Pretty sure Will Langford has shown he is a good player this year at Hawthorn - as has Angus Litherland - yet both were at the club for FOUR YEARS before getting a game. Good players don't always get a game. In Hudson's last year at our club, Minson's form at Willi was pretty darned good but he still couldn't crack a game (maybe it was Hudson's second last year, who can remember). Minson has turned out to be OK and even made an AA side - the fact he was playing 2's was not a blight on his ability. Every case is different and I think the jury is out on the 'Jed Anderson is a good player' train as well...

As for form in the seniors - it isn't that easy. When every game you play has you on a knifes edge, playing peripheral roles, subbed in/out etc it is hard to settle and be part of it.

As an aside, I also would pick Smith ahead of De Boer but for me at least it would be a conversation...as for saying that De Boer is a purely defensive player, I am guess you haven't seen much of his work at state league level but the role he plays for Lyon in the senior team is one he plays to stay in the team...don't assume that is all he can do. His numbers per game (possessions AND goals) are almost an exact replica of Smiths (14 touches and .5 of a goal) but no point letting the reality of numbers get in the way of the conversation.

Crozier has the highest goal per game average of the 3 by the way. But again...

As you aptly said previously, disagree.

[mjp]

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As you aptly said previously, disagree.

With what part?

That crozier averages more goals per game (he does) or that silvagni/Langford etc are good players who took several years to establish themselves in good sides (they are and they did). Let's revisit this at the end of 2015 and see where both players are at.

[F'scary]

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Dalrymple performance analysis here

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthr...ight=dalrymple

This is the best analysis I have seen. The only point I would dispute is Tom Campbell, he may have a future.

Putting the F/S's aside (a correct position for analysis, I think) and the coach's late round choices (another good point of analysis), Dalrymple has only selected about 8 good players in about 25 picks (and that is probably generous).

Verdict: Fail.

[Remi Moses]

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Gee hard taskmaster^^
The difficulty in a compromised era should be taken into account

[F'scary]

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Gee hard taskmaster^^
The difficulty in a compromised era should be taken into account

Fair point.

[Maddog37]

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You also need to actively choose the father son players though so to completely disregard them is unfair.

[Remi Moses]

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You also need to actively choose the father son players though so to completely disregard them is unfair.

Exactly right. Also factor in the type and actual player is most likely taken By GWS or Goldcoast .

[LongWait]

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Fremantle already have smith - his name is Matt De Boer. Hard at it, can kick a goal (tick), defensive forward (tick), can play as a midfield tagger (tick), can't kick (tick), supporters love him (tick), struggles to get a game in a good side...we can go back and forth forever on this but creative players who can create goals for themselves and their team-mates are worth gold. Our side is chock full of inside players with grunt but we collectively lack spread, vision and the ability to kick the ball inside 50m. Crozier would have played 40+ games by now if he was wearing a dogs (or saints, or tigers etc) jumper which would give us a better read on where he is at.

Does Crozier have elite ability to spread and kick the ball inside 50? I'd say no, so he is unlikely to have displaced Smith in our side and isn't the player you claim we should be looking for. Smith is better credentialed thus far than Crozier and would be a lock in our side but for his wretched run with injuries.

Dalrymple has performed at better than a pass and hasn't botched any of our top 10 picks - quite the opposite in fact. He also resisted the temptation to select Dayle Garlett with pick 5 or 6 in 2012. Imagine the reviews he would get on here if he'd done that....

[stefoid]

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You also need to actively choose the father son players though so to completely disregard them is unfair.

playing devils advocate, we picked Wallis before Libba

[Bornadog]

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playing devils advocate, we picked Wallis before Libba

Initially Wallis was considered the better player but soon the MC realised Libba was going to be the better of the two.

[GVGjr]

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Initially Wallis was considered the better player but soon the MC realised Libba was going to be the better of the two.

For what it's worth, I talked to a couple of our recruiters that year and they were leaning strongly towards Liberatore being the better player.

[F'scary]

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Initially Wallis was considered the better player but soon the MC realised Libba was going to be the better of the two.

Tell me, someone, I can't remember, who used what pick to compel us to use our pick 22 for Wallis? I'm not knocking Wallis - he is getting there.

[chef]

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Tell me, someone, I can't remember, who used what pick to compel us to use our pick 22 for Wallis? I'm not knocking Wallis - he is getting there.

Off the top of my head Port bid for Wallis and Sydney bid for Libba.

[Scorlibo]

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For what it's worth, I talked to a couple of our recruiters that year and they were leaning strongly towards Liberatore being the better player.

We can only speculate, but I think Libba would have been top ten with a bullet and Wally a first rounder. My impression at the time was that they knew Wally to perhaps be a little bit more mature and less likely to get ahead of himself, so they put him up for pick 22.

[boydogs]

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Off the top of my head Port bid for Wallis and Sydney bid for Libba.

With 16 & 40, prior to our 22 & 41