Three Things I've Learned - Round 6 Edition

[westdog54]

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1. Positional experiments for the sake of development should occur at Footscray. Having Stringer follow J-Pod around was a mistake.
2. There's only so much you can do to cover the loss of your two best defenders.
3. I don't think I've ever been frustrated as much by a footballer as I am by Liam Jones. We all know the boy can play but its hard to put yesterday into words.

[Maddog37]

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Still not sure Jones is completely lost as a defender. Was thrown into the deep end yesterday.

[LostDoggy]

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Too much focus on Jong who always gives his all even if it is limited. There are players like Griff, Cooney, Murph, Higgins etc that go missing for large parts of games and only try when it suits them. Weak as piss and this is the reason our supporters do not turn up week in week out.

As for supporters leaving early, the last time I looked we pay to watch them play whereas the players are paid well to turn up and perform.

I leave early if the players are not giving their all and I didn't go yesterday because I am sick of watching the rubbish footy we played against Carlton etc. Until the team is worth watching then the crowds and memberships will be low.

Having said that, I have a family premiership gold member for life that gets paid year in year out regardless of the above as I love the club and want to support it.

See you when the weather turns for the better

[G-Mo77]

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Still not sure Jones is completely lost as a defender. Was thrown into the deep end yesterday.

When he was close to his opponent his spoiling and body work was pretty good but gave far to much space most of the time he was there so that rarely happened. There was one stage there he was at least 5 metres away from his direct opponent.

[Mantis]

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When he was close to his opponent his spoiling and body work was pretty good but gave far to much space most of the time he was there so that rarely happened. There was one stage there he was at least 5 metres away from his direct opponent.

Due to conditioning or concentration?

Pretty sure Jones was on the ground for the entire last qtr... He came to the bench on 2 occassions and was sent back out there. He could be seen also looking at bench staff to receive a signal to come off, but that never came.

[LostDoggy]

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I've said it once, not thread after thread week after week bashing supporters for not being like him. It's garbage.

OK, so you think my post is garbage. Cool. As long as we're sorting through the rubbish though, I'd consider the following sentiments just as ridiculous:

1. Jong, after playing 9 games, won't make it at AFL level.
2. Young isn't in our best 22, despite being continually named in our side with nobody really pushing to oust him at VFL level.
3. Jones, after playing one shocker after a few decent runs, is never going to be anything and should be dropped.
4. The match committee should be making wholesale changes — 8 to 10 — every week.
5. Any player who fumbles the ball just isn't good enough, and should be immediately dropped to Footscray. Conversely, our players need to be courageous and take the game on.
6. Wallis will never be a good player because he is playing a tagging role.
7. We are screwed when Morris and Murphy retire. However, Young, JJ, etc. shouldn't be played.
8. Stringer, Williams, Jones and Campbell should be playing at Footscray. BUT WE NEED MORE TALLS!!
9. Our club's predicament is due to a Game Of Thrones-like conspiracy by the AFL. (So which club is Sansa?)
10. Our attendances have nothing to do with our fans and are solely due to poor fixturing. Woe is us.
11. Gordon, Garlick and co. aren't demanding enough from the AFL. Couldn't possibly be that the AFL simply retorts: Get more than 30k to a home game and we'll chat.
12. Our club needs to blame everything on everybody else, and develop a winning culture.

That's my opinion. I consider them stupid statements. But some people would say they are legitimate points, and that's why we're here. It's all discussion, guys, even if you find it repetitive. On my part, it's repetitive because I generally have the same annoyances every week, like everybody else does with Jones, I guess.

We sit on our fat arses eating pie whilst these guys put it all on the line, and when somebody asks, “Is there more we can do as fans to support them? Should we stop just walking out on them when it's not going well?” suddenly I'm being a superior, pompous arsehat.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Re: those defending Jong and his position in the side.

Would he get a game anywhere else? Maybe Melbourne/Brisbane, but I doubt it given Melbourne's midfield group and Brisbane has Raines.

[Doc26]

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OK, so you think my post is garbage. Cool. As long as we're sorting through the rubbish though, I'd consider the following sentiments just as ridiculous:

1. Jong, after playing 9 games, won't make it at AFL level.
2. Young isn't in our best 22, despite being continually named in our side with nobody really pushing to oust him at VFL level.
3. Jones, after playing one shocker after a few decent runs, is never going to be anything and should be dropped.
4. The match committee should be making wholesale changes — 8 to 10 — every week.
5. Any player who fumbles the ball just isn't good enough, and should be immediately dropped to Footscray. Conversely, our players need to be courageous and take the game on.
6. Wallis will never be a good player because he is playing a tagging role.
7. We are screwed when Morris and Murphy retire. However, Young, JJ, etc. shouldn't be played.
8. Stringer, Williams, Jones and Campbell should be playing at Footscray. BUT WE NEED MORE TALLS!!
9. Our club's predicament is due to a Game Of Thrones-like conspiracy by the AFL. (So which club is Sansa?)
10. Our attendances have nothing to do with our fans and are solely due to poor fixturing. Woe is us.
11. Gordon, Garlick and co. aren't demanding enough from the AFL. Couldn't possibly be that the AFL simply retorts: Get more than 30k to a home game and we'll chat.
12. Our club needs to blame everything on everybody else, and develop a winning culture.

That's my opinion. I consider them stupid statements. But some people would say they are legitimate points, and that's why we're here. It's all discussion, guys, even if you find it repetitive. On my part, it's repetitive because I generally have the same annoyances every week, like everybody else does with Jones, I guess.

We sit on our fat arses eating pie whilst these guys put it all on the line, and when somebody asks, “Is there more we can do as fans to support them? Should we stop just walking out on them when it's not going well?” suddenly I'm being a superior, pompous arsehat.

Right, so just to get your point across to Stache you then elect to call out others specific opinions, like my own, "rubbish" or "stupid". Good form mate.

[always right]

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Re: those defending Jong and his position in the side.

Would he get a game anywhere else? Maybe Melbourne/Brisbane, but I doubt it given Melbourne's midfield group and Brisbane has Raines.

Who gives a flying **** whether he would get a game with another side?

No-one is saying he doesn't have deficiencies in his game. The fact is we are a team who is at the stage where playing finals footy is not a realistic outcome in 2014 so the focus should be on developing a team that can challenge in coming years. That means giving some blokes games when perhaps they are not in our best 22 right now if it means we fast track their development.

I guess the same approach is being taken with Stringer. Not playing well enough to be in our best 22 but being given the opportunity to devlop, even if it means making him play in an unfamiliar position against a bigger, more experienced opponent. Guarantee he learned more on Sunday than he did in previous games.

Back to Jong....he has taken huge steps since joining the club. He is big bodied, quick and willing...not bad attributes as a starting point. Now we need to find out if he can develop game awareness, poise and decision making. If he can't then you'll have your wish and he'll be gone in two years. I'm quite happy to experiment whilst we go through this transition.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Who gives a flying **** whether he would get a game with another side?

A way with words I see.

Nobody cares whether he would, but it does illustrate a point.

Back to Jong....he has taken huge steps since joining the club. He is big bodied, quick and willing...not bad attributes as a starting point. Now we need to find out if he can develop game awareness, poise and decision making. If he can't then you'll have your wish and he'll be gone in two years. I'm quite happy to experiment whilst we go through this transition.

You do realise there are footballers nation wide who are big bodied, quick and willing, right?

A club like ours shouldn't be wasting two years to find out if they can turn a kid with a good attitude into a good footballer. I know I've harped on about this for weeks now, but it's driving me nuts.

I shall attempt to remain tight lipped about this from here on in.

[G-Mo77]

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Due to conditioning or concentration?

Pretty sure Jones was on the ground for the entire last qtr... He came to the bench on 2 occassions and was sent back out there. He could be seen also looking at bench staff to receive a signal to come off, but that never came.

Neither, I'd imagine. It got pointed out to me but when the ball was in our forward 50 he wasn't anywhere near his man, not behind him, not forward of him about 5m away to the side on more than one occasion. He may have been anticipating a clearance, not sure? I really can't remember if this hurt us or not.

[LostDoggy]

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That means giving some blokes games when perhaps they are not in our best 22 right now if it means we fast track their development.

I guess the same approach is being taken with Stringer. Not playing well enough to be in our best 22 but being given the opportunity to devlop

Didn't Melbourne get fined a significant amount of money for a similar strategy? More fool the poor punter who takes a gamble on his beloved bulldogs with the idiotic view that the MC may put out the 22 players in the 22 positions most likely to win us the game.

[Remi Moses]

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Didn't Melbourne get fined a significant amount of money for a similar strategy? More fool the poor punter who takes a gamble on his beloved bulldogs with the idiotic view that the MC may put out the 22 players in the 22 positions most likely to win us the game.

Boy, drawing a long bow there aren't we?Maybe should take into account we're missing our two best defenders!

[always right]

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Didn't Melbourne get fined a significant amount of money for a similar strategy? More fool the poor punter who takes a gamble on his beloved bulldogs with the idiotic view that the MC may put out the 22 players in the 22 positions most likely to win us the game.

Seriously?

[Remi Moses]

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A way with words I see.

Nobody cares whether he would, but it does illustrate a point.



You do realise there are footballers nation wide who are big bodied, quick and willing, right?

A club like ours shouldn't be wasting two years to find out if they can turn a kid with a good attitude into a good footballer. I know I've harped on about this for weeks now, but it's driving me nuts.

I shall attempt to remain tight lipped about this from here on in.

A club "like ours" is still in development mode.
For crying out loud the kid's 19 and played a dozen games.
For mine he has deficiencies ( what young player hasn't?)We have many players similar, banging down the door .
No doubt Smith Hrovat Wallis will be back in .