Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

[LostDoggy]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Great political answer chops! WTF does it mean?
So if chops was CEO we'd have a new coach?
Personally think it's to early to make a call on the coach, like more time.

What do you want from me? Will you be happy if I said its all rosy?
What's the point changing the coach when there a number things wrong above and around him?

[jeemak]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Maybe even a spot in a boxing ring would be a lesson well taught.

Bashing the shit out of people is the best way to communicate with them!

[jeemak]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

So just let him fend for himself then. Self-preservation mode.
It not like this stuff carries on to ground does it?
Nor is it in their interest(alongside a good player).

I said/meant it might have disfused the situation.

Chops, I am pretty sure the issue has been reported in a certain way that actually deviates from how it played out.

You can attempt to tie the issue to the club all you like, but basically Tom stuffed up, and left himself exposed.

[Desipura]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

I think the club is in the best position to work out what is the right punishment, We are not talking about amateur hour here, the club would have sought professional assistance before they made a decision.

Well said, BAD. The coach is following a successful model that was used for the Cats, I initially had my doubts but feel more comfortable after hearing BMac speak about it in more depth.
Remi, lets stick to the topic. (where's the smiley emoticon?)

[Grantysghost]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Experience and research suggest that isolation is the worst possible solution in this type of scenario. This is the message Doug is trying to convey. Many psychologists that I know (who work with this scenario daily) totally agree and were actually appalled with the treatment.

[Mofra]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

You can attempt to tie the issue to the club all you like, but basically Tom stuffed up, and left himself exposed.

He left himself exposed, but to assume he was a lone agent in the whole affair I think is off the mark. Other posters have questioned why he was left alone, and I agree - I'd never leave a mate, semi-conscious, on a footpath anywhere - let alone King St which is one of the most dangerous places I've ever been (including Nairobi )

Experience and research suggest that isolation is the worst possible solution in this type of scenario. This is the message Doug is trying to convey. Many psychologists that I know (who work with this scenario daily) totally agree and were actually appalled with the treatment.

Spot on - Libba has stuffed up but to make him the fall guy and leave him out on his own is wrong IMO

[MrMahatma]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Cam Ling seemed to support the decision.

Still feels wrong to me but I've never been a professional footballer.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Bashing the shit out of people is the best way to communicate with them!

Jeemak, Robert Walls says to say hello.
He wants to know if you'd like to see his own football educational theory in action?
ie: belt someone repeatedly until their ears bleed.

I would like to test out Robert Walls' football Educational theory ON Robert Walls.

[KT31]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Bashing the shit out of people is the best way to communicate with them!

Who said anything about bashing the shit out of him, but a good clip around the ears might make him take notice.

[Bornadog]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Who said anything about bashing the shit out of him, but a good clip around the ears might make him take notice.

Mate are you living in the 70's.

[Maddog37]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Mate are you living in the 70's.

That's a great name for a song!

[Happy Days]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

Does the club have access to a Psychologist?

If this is the case half the 20 year olds in Melbourne need a psychologist. Tom messed up, he's been punished accordingly, let's not over analyse this.

Seriously, does anyone actually think drug taking in the AFL is isolated to just one player?

[Bornadog]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

If this is the case half the 20 year olds in Melbourne need a psychologist. Tom messed up, he's been punished accordingly, let's not over analyse this.

Seriously, does anyone actually think drug taking in the AFL is isolated to just one player?

HD, did you actually read the sequence of posts? I was talking about the punishment.

All I said was the punishment that was dished out is not something plucked out of the sky and given. I made the comment that professional advise would have been sought by the club and I received a smart aleck response that I was in dreamland. So I asked the question whether we employ a psychologist.

[Mofra]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

All I said was the punishment that was dished out is not something plucked out of the sky and given. I made the comment that professional advise would have been sought by the club

Do the leadership group consult profesionals before handing down decisions? I thought this was simply a decision of the playing group, nothing more.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Doug Hawkins slams Western Bulldogs' isolation of Tom Liberatore

I thought that Doug made a good point " mate you your not allowed to play but come down to train and we will look after you" is what I thought he mean't and I agree with him.