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  • Twodogs
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27681

    #31
    Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

    Originally posted by SlimPickens
    Bolter- Milera (essendon)
    Slider- Wiederman
    How far do you think Wiederman will slip SP?
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • SlimPickens
      Coaching Staff
      • Aug 2010
      • 2929

      #32
      Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

      Originally posted by Twodogs
      How far do you think Wiederman will slip SP?
      Not to our pick. I see him sliding to late teens.
      "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 67679

        #33
        Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

        Josh Dunkley has nominated as a father-son player for Sydney, choosing the Swans over the uncertainty of the open draft.
        But the midfielder could yet end up getting his initial wish to play for a Victorian club, should the Swans choose not to match a bid from another team for him.
        FFC: Established 1883

        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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        • Remi Moses
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 14785

          #34
          Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

          Gary Buckenara has us taking Oliver and Glass - Mccasker
          Thoughts?

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          • The Bulldogs Bite
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 11406

            #35
            Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

            Originally posted by Remi Moses
            Gary Buckenara has us taking Oliver and Glass - Mccasker
            Thoughts?
            I love the look of Oliver but it seems he's almost a lock for top 10, or certainly top 15.

            Glass-McCasker performed well during champs IIRC from what I've read. There may be a few other options still available at 20/21 though. I think The Doctor is keen on him.
            W00F!

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            • comrade
              Hall of Fame
              • Jun 2008
              • 18103

              #36
              Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

              I wouldn't be surprised if we took a couple of bolters with our first 2 picks.

              Definitely expecting some overreactions on draft night.
              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11960

                #37
                Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                Originally posted by comrade
                I wouldn't be surprised if we took a couple of bolters with our first 2 picks.

                Definitely expecting some overreactions on draft night.
                If there's one thing I've leaned these past few years it's that whoever you (as in general conensus/phantom drafts) think we might be getting is who we definitely won't get. So no B.McKay Rioli or Ah Chee for us.
                [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #38
                  Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                  Originally posted by Remi Moses
                  Gary Buckenara has us taking Oliver and Glass - Mccasker
                  Thoughts?
                  I would love Oliver, but can't see him lasting to us. His late season TAC form was sizzling and every club that doesn't have a big bodied inside mid will find it hard to go past him. Teams like Essendon, Carlton and Melbourne have multiple picks before us, I'd be surprised if they all pass him up.

                  Not that keen on Glass-McCasker, he has got good size and athleticism, but just isn't a natural footballer from what I have seem. His smarts and reading of the game are pretty average. If SD sees the potential to develop that then great, but I doubt we'll roll the dice at 20/21. If we go early on a tall (presuming Collins & MacKay gone) I reckon it'll be Adams or Skinner.

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                  • boydogs
                    WOOF Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5845

                    #39
                    Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                    First time I have read Ben McKay touted as a massive slider, interesting read

                    Okay after a year off I am back this year. I have not attempted to do a mock this year. I just think things are a bit too hard with the Academy kids in there and lets face facts it is a bit of a crap shoot anyway. I have just decided to rank the players as I like them rather than where I...


                    56. Ben McKay

                    Ht – 199 Wt - 95


                    No people I have not forgotten Ben McKay and I have included him merely just to confirm that point. I had originally been intending to leave him out altogether because quite simply I would not pick him even at this stage of the draft.


                    Ben is very much the lesser of the McKay twins. Sure he is almost as big but he is nowhere near that player that Harry is. Where Harry is a forward who has flashed genuine talent as a forward, Ben to me has demonstrated to me why he is will not make it as a back. He has played some forward late in the year but he has not shown enough to be taken as a forward despite me feeling that he would have more chance of success up there.


                    McKay took time off during the year because he was the pale shadow of his brother and felt that he was not going to make it and now after some moderate games as a shut down defender and fill in forward at TAC level people are talking about him as a top 15 player. I swear sometimes people (including professional recruiters) just get caught up in the hype and ignore what is in front of them. McKay is tall but hardly gets off the ground (he was last in the vertical leap at the Combine), he is reasonable for pace when he is up and going but he regularly misses the jump and can be very slow over the mark and he has the turning circle of an aircraft carrier. There was a great variance in 20m times at the Combine and he managed to finish in the bottom 5% of the agility test. I have heard it said that he has good endurance but I have not seen it and he did not show it at the Combine testing in the low 13s for the beep test.


                    On top of that he is regularly caught out of position and does not read the play well. His football IQ is poor. I think the bigger, quicker and smarter AFL forwards are going to eat him up. They will get separation with ease and there is no way he is shutting them down.


                    Offensively, McKay also left a lot to be desired. He is a poor kick and tries to play within himself taking only the short safe options. Despite this he still managed to hit the target only about half the time. He is not confident with his kicking, turns it over half the time and even when he hits the target his hurt factor is not high. Perhaps because of his poor skills he rarely runs off and tends to be a stopping defender only.


                    What makes McKay attractive to many is his combination of height, marking ability and willingness to mix things up physically. He runs onto his marks nicely and is prepared to crash packs when he has to. He is a strong contested mark although I do think his marking ability is a bit overrated. Those strengths would be just as valuable, if not more so, up forward and up forward his weaknesses are less of an issue. If he is going to succeed I see him doing so as a Drew Petrie type full forward.


                    McKay did finish the year with a 4 goal game but that was a one off. He did not score more than 2 goals in any other game and he was rarely anything other than a sporadic threat up forward. He is a young tall and even younger than most of this class (24 December birthday) so it is fair to assume that there is a lot of development left in him. For me there will need to be for him to be any kind of an AFL player.
                    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                    Formerly gogriff

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                    • F'scary
                      WOOF Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 4089

                      #40
                      Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                      Originally posted by boydogs
                      First time I have read Ben McKay touted as a massive slider, interesting read

                      http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thread...#post-42042104
                      Ouch! A lot of phantoms link him to our first two picks!!!
                      Officially on the Bus-wagon

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                      • boydogs
                        WOOF Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5845

                        #41
                        Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                        Originally posted by F'scary
                        Ouch! A lot of phantoms link him to our first two picks!!!
                        Yep, he's the KPD many supporters are hoping will make it to our first two picks. This is the first time I've seen him picked outside 15-25
                        If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                        Formerly gogriff

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                        • kruder
                          Coaching Staff
                          • May 2011
                          • 3912

                          #42
                          Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                          Anyone seen much of Markov? Looks an athlete and I prefer footballers first but the kid can kick. I don't mind him at all. One things for sure this draft is very even outside a handful of players.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #43
                            Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                            Sam Landsberger seems to have some pretty good links to Dogs. In his draft he has us taking Dunkley and Bonner, although reckons we'd love Collins if he slips. Others in the mix he reckons are Skinner and Adams.

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                            • The Doctor
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3709

                              #44
                              Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                              Originally posted by PeanutsPeanuts
                              Sam Landsberger seems to have some pretty good links to Dogs. In his draft he has us taking Dunkley and Bonner, although reckons we'd love Collins if he slips. Others in the mix he reckons are Skinner and Adams.
                              maybe he's been reading bigfooty
                              Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 45508

                                #45
                                Re: Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

                                Originally posted by PeanutsPeanuts
                                Sam Landsberger seems to have some pretty good links to Dogs. In his draft he has us taking Dunkley and Bonner, although reckons we'd love Collins if he slips. Others in the mix he reckons are Skinner and Adams.
                                I think we could do a bit better with our first 2 selections although I could see us interested in Collins.
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