Draft Day Bolters, Sliders & Complete Passes

[comrade]

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Dunkley makes no sense when we have Stevens and Libba yet to be added to the elim final team.

[LostDoggy]

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I am not that keen on Dunkley either, seems the antithesis of the type of mid/utility SD has been going for. Can see Bonner's appeal though. A few people 'in the know' have stated or inferred that we are keen on Dunkley, so maybe SD sees something most miss.

[GVGjr]

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Dunkley makes no sense when we have Stevens and Libba yet to be added to the elim final team.

He would easily pass the character test and a big bodied midfielder who can still get his handball away when he is being tackled isn't a bad skill but he's not quick, I don't think he would be a great link up player plus his kicking is on the average side.

Unless there is a specific role for him I don't see why he is regarded as a chance with our first 2 picks.

[GVGjr]

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We know that we have a young list and we also know that taller players typically take more time to develop so I'm wondering with our 4 selections is there a need to draft player one mature type that could potentially transition into the side next season?

Two players would seem to be capable of playing senior footy next season in Mitch Brown and Marcus Adams and both of then have suitors. I believe we have had some mild interest in Brown who can play both ends of the ground and we appear to be a bit more strongly linked to Adams who seems to be a better defender than forward but capable of doing both.

Essendon are apparently the most keen on Brown but would likely need to use one their paired picks in the 2nd round at 24 or 25 to land him as their next selection after that is their 3rd round selection at pick 56. It's a long wait between those selections and if we were interested our last two draft picks could get the job done. I've said this before but if we aren't that interested in him we should make some noise that we are and try and get the Bombers to use pick 25.

Adams is apparently right on Freo's list and they have two picks in the 2nd round (23 and 35) but if we are interested Freo's picks are after our selections and we could potentially trump them. Likewise Essendon are interested and again they would need to use one 2nd round picks to get him. West Coast could be interested and have picks 23 and 31 in the 2nd round which again we could cover.
I think we could get him at pick 30 but we couldn't wait until our last pick. Assuming we are interested there might even be an argument to use pick 21 on him.

Is there any other experienced talls that you are interested in us selecting or do you think we should we just keep selecting youngsters? Would Adams be regarded a bolter if we picked in at 21? Could Adams be that Harry Taylor type bolter?

[LostDoggy]

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We know that we have a young list and we also know that taller players typically take more time to develop so I'm wondering with our 4 selections is there a need to draft player one mature type that could potentially transition into the side next season?

Two players would seem to be capable of playing senior footy next season in Mitch Brown and Marcus Adams and both of then have suitors. I believe we have had some mild interest in Brown who can play both ends of the ground and we appear to be a bit more strongly linked to Adams who seems to be a better defender than forward but capable of doing both.

Essendon are apparently the most keen on Brown but would likely need to use one their paired picks in the 2nd round at 24 or 25 to land him as their next selection after that is their 3rd round selection at pick 56. It's a long wait between those selections and if we were interested our last two draft picks could get the job done. I've said this before but if we aren't that interested in him we should make some noise that we are and try and get the Bombers to use pick 25.

Adams is apparently right on Freo's list and they have two picks in the 2nd round (23 and 35) but if we are interested Freo's picks are after our selections and we could potentially trump them. Likewise Essendon are interested and again they would need to use one 2nd round picks to get him. West Coast could be interested and have picks 23 and 31 in the 2nd round which again we could cover.
I think we could get him at pick 30 but we couldn't wait until our last pick. Assuming we are interested there might even be an argument to use pick 21 on him.

Is there any other experienced talls that you are interested in us selecting or do you think we should we just keep selecting youngsters? Would Adams be regarded a bolter if we picked in at 21? Could Adams be that Harry Taylor type bolter?

I've been advocating for Adams for a while now. To me, he is the standout for our particular needs. I reckon we have sussed out that Freo are also dead keen and our 11 for 20/21 trade was all about getting a crack at Adams before Freo, whilst still getting a good quality youngster at 20. Trying to read between the lines of all the rumours, that's the play that makes sense to me and it's what I'm hoping for.

[GVGjr]

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I've been advocating for Adams for a while now. To me, he is the standout for our particular needs. I reckon we have sussed out that Freo are also dead keen and our 11 for 20/21 trade was all about getting a crack at Adams before Freo, whilst still getting a good quality youngster at 20. Trying to read between the lines of all the rumours, that's the play that makes sense to me and it's what I'm hoping for.

I think to be assured to land him we would need to use pick 21 I just wonder if we have rated him that highly. We haven't drafted many players from WA over the years so it would be a change of direction for us.

It would be a bit of a risk but he could potentially fit into the seniors a lot quicker than a Ben McKay or Sam Skinner who could be a couple of seasons away from senior football.

[LostDoggy]

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The WA factor is not a big concern for me. Don't mean to be flippant, but saying we haven't recruited any in a while, is like saying we haven't recruited any redheads in a while - doesn't mean we reject Aaron Francis if we could get him.

I think the lack of WA talent falling our way in recent times is probably just the way the cards have fallen. In the longer term we have taken plenty of WA players, with a fair few having good careers with us (mostly in the 80s admittedly).

Off the top of my head, I can think of Jason Johannisen, Ryan Hargrave, Simon Beasley, Kingsley Hunter, Andrew Purser, Farren Ray, Brad Hardie, Brad Wira, Murray Rance (damn his son would be handy), Daniel Bandy, Peter Featherby, Jim Sewell, Danny Southern, Allan Daniels, Josh Hill, Ian Williams, John Georgiades, Jayden Schofield and Brennan Stack.

[LostDoggy]

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Just looking at that list, couldn't resist making a best 18 of WA Bulldogs:

Hardie - Sewell - Southern
Hargrave - Rance - Wira
Daniels - Featherby - Johanissen
Williams - Hunter - Georgiades
Bandy - Beasley - Hill

Purser - Ray - Cometti

Struggling for onballers, but otherwise decent enough.

[F'scary]

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My thoughts are that our list is now good for a number of years bar a few positional deficits. Therefore, the temptation to use the draft to address needs over "best available" is almost overwhelming. If we think players like this Adams and Brown will address some of our needs, let's do the reach. If our picks two and three secure them, that would still leave our first pick for a "best available" and our last pick for something of a project nature who might not slip to our first selection in the rookie draft.

[Bornadog]

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My gut feel is we will draft a mature KPP, who that is I am not sure.

[GVGjr]

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The WA factor is not a big concern for me. Don't mean to be flippant, but saying we haven't recruited any in a while, is like saying we haven't recruited any redheads in a while - doesn't mean we reject Aaron Francis if we could get him.

I think you are underestimating the significance of our indifference towards players from WA over the last 10 seasons or so. It's more than a little intriguing that the 3rd biggest state for players drafted has largely been ignored by us.
Yes we would have taken players like Martin or Hogan if we had the right picks to do so but the numbers of players we have selected in recent years indicate we don't quite regard the WA boys as highly as we possibly should.

But you're right, this year could be the one that changes it if the likes of Ah Chee and Adams are selected.

[Bulldog4life]

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Hartley from Coburg seems to be a good get if we are looking for a ready to play recruit. Hopefully he is there at pick 51. At 198m and 102 kilos he is a great size too. The link is a bit about him.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-27/expies-rookie-michael-hartley-could-be-thrown-afl-lifeline

[lemmon]

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Some interesting quotes here from his coach who says Adams isn't really key position size but more suited to the third tall role https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sp...-marcus-adams/

With Hamling, Cordy and Morris as similar types that would make me inclined to look at someone bigger, Hartley for example

[azabob]

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Off the top of my head, I can think of Jason Johannisen, Ryan Hargrave, Simon Beasley, Kingsley Hunter, Andrew Purser, Farren Ray, Brad Hardie, Brad Wira, Murray Rance (damn his son would be handy), Daniel Bandy, Peter Featherby, Jim Sewell, Danny Southern, Allan Daniels, Josh Hill, Ian Williams, John Georgiades, Jayden Schofield and Brennan Stack.

Don't forget Zeph Skinner.

Could you also count Hamling and Curely, even though they were playing in Victoria at the time we drafted them?

[LostDoggy]

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Don't forget Zeph Skinner.

Could you also count Hamling and Curely, even though they were playing in Victoria at the time we drafted them?

Forgot about Zeph. There are a few other WAers we got via other Vic clubs (not quite the same thing), such as Tony Buhagiar, Tim Gepp and Bruce Duperouzel (maybe others, can't recall).