WOOF Phantom Drafts

[boydogs]

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Is there any of the suggestions made you think are off the mark?

I don't know the kids as well as you, it's just the rationale. You started off with the usual consensus names, then said Freo might pick a local which is totally fine, but then Collingwood would go with needs as early as pick 6 - particularly when it's a key defender which take several years to develop - if they needed one they should have traded for one

Every second phantom I read says we take Coffield at 9 because Matthew Boyd and Bob Murphy have retired - they don't realise we planned for that and got Suckling, Biggs, Williams, Lynch a couple of years ago

What I'd like to read is why Naughton is better than Brayshaw, or why Coffield is better than Fogarty - not which the club needs more

[GVGjr]

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I don't know the kids as well as you, it's just the rationale. You started off with the usual consensus names, then said Freo might pick a local which is totally fine, but then Collingwood would go with needs as early as pick 6 - particularly when it's a key defender which take several years to develop - if they needed one they should have traded for one

Every second phantom I read says we take Coffield at 9 because Matthew Boyd and Bob Murphy have retired - they don't realise we planned for that and got Suckling, Biggs, Williams, Lynch a couple of years ago

What I'd like to read is why Naughton is better than Brayshaw, or why Coffield is better than Fogarty - not which the club needs more

I guess when I started the post it was just to see the likely players available for our two picks and I think I mentioned that in the opening sentence. It was more or less a process of elimination. Once I got to our pick 9 I thought I might as well finish it off.
I don't think it's overly trying to match players to perceived needs but it is a consideration never the less.
Collingwood for example let go of a couple of key defenders and I think they might have lost one after the trade period. They were probably in a hard place of not wanting to trade pick 6 because they had a couple of players in mind and not having enough currency in the trade period to really make a difference anyway

There is still some time for more comprehensive phantom drafts.

[kruder]

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GVGjr you reckon Zac Bailey would be a reach at 16? He is another that played well in the AA game, wins his own ball but really has some speed to break away from a stoppage while his skills need a little work. He is only slight at the moment but the kid is a really little bull he has that extra yard that our mids lack.

[kruder]

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Essendon should have kept pick 11 and taken Constable exactly the player they need they went for the hype strategy instead.

[GVGjr]

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GVGjr you reckon Zac Bailey would be a reach at 16? He is another that played well in the AA game, wins his own ball but really has some speed to break away from a stoppage while his skills need a little work. He is only slight at the moment but the kid is a really little bull he has that extra yard that our mids lack.

He's well worth a mention in fact that's a great suggestion. I don't have him near the top 20 but he is a strong inside midfielder with plenty of pace and I think I have under valued him. I just think pick 16 is just a bit to early for him but he should go in the early 20's and maybe earlier if someone wants that extra pace he offers.
I read something about him the other day and he will do everything he can to make it as an AFL footballer.

[GVGjr]

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There are a few players more than capable of jumping into the top 20 considerations

Nathan Murphy - A versatile forward or defender. Perhaps as early as 9.
Jordan Houlahan - A high leaping defender or forward with a long accurate kick
Zac Bailey - 180cm midfielder with plenty of pace
Tim Kelly - A late developer at 23 but a player who has dominated at the WAFL this year
Matthew Ling - A pacy midfielder or defender with an accurate kick.
Charlie Ballard - A 195cm versatile player.
Brandon Starcevich - Big bodied midfielder, forward or defender who finished the season off strongly.

Any other names that could disrupt the top 20?

[Missing Dog]

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I'm not so sure, I think Macrae has learned to be a tough and somewhat aggressive player. His natural instincts would be that of an outside midfielder but he quickly learned to how to work in congested play. Same with Dahlhaus

Those two weren't as developed as O'Brien. Neither were in the AFL academy and I'm pretty sure they were late comers to the TAC system. I would be a bit surprised if O'Brien wasn't made fully aware of his faults coming from the academy program and had been given further advice/training on how to fix up those faults.

I wonder how clubs will judge that because they might feel you can can have a player like that if their other attributes are strong?
They could also think it's something they can improve.

Some players with similar strengths to O'Brien like Whitfield and Kelly had far better contested numbers as juniors. Contested numbers are usually a good indication on how well they will go at the next level, Champion data have done some studies on it. From memory they had Toumpas and Aish fairly low on their board compared to most for this reason. O'Brien's numbers are actually worse then those two.

[Twodogs]

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I'm not so sure, I think Macrae has learned to be a tough and somewhat aggressive player. His natural instincts would be that of an outside midfielder but he quickly learned to how to work in congested play. Same with Dahlhaus

I've been thinking about this and your example of Macrae is a very good one. He's really learned to focus his attention on the ball with enough pointy elbows to give himself just enough space to work with.

Dalhaus has always been an overly competitive short man. I don't know that we had to reach him too aggression. We just had to properly focus the aggressision he already had.

[GVGjr]

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Reading some articles online and Murphy and Houlahan are rating a mention and I think Kelly could as well.
For a number of weeks phantom drafts have had a strong consensus of names but now others are emerging.

So much for it being a weak draft.

[GVGjr]

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Lachlan Fogarty is getting a mention as someone we might be interested in. There is plenty to like about him

Murphy is moving up the draft order as well.

[kruder]

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Lachlan Fogarty is getting a mention as someone we might be interested in. There is plenty to like about him

What AFL attributes do you see with LF? Ive only seen a few clips of his highlights and nothing really stands out at all.

[GVGjr]

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What AFL attributes do you see with LF? Ive only seen a few clips of his highlights and nothing really stands out at all.

Good goal sense and decision maker, a strong tackler and excellent speed and agility.

His most elite quality is that he barracks for the Dogs

[Go_Dogs]

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I've been having a look at who we could look at for pick 82, a few names I've found interesting are:-

Cody Hirst
Lachlan Noble
Ethan Floyd
Seb Williams

Anyone able to speculate where (if at all) they may land?

[GVGjr]

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I've been having a look at who we could look at for pick 82, a few names I've found interesting are:-

Cody Hirst
Lachlan Noble
Ethan Floyd
Seb Williams

Anyone able to speculate where (if at all) they may land?

I've seen a bit of Floyd and Williams. Floyd had one massive game in the finals but there might not be a lot of upside in him. Late pick for me

Williams is a nice half forward, forward pocket type with pace. Seems to be a smart footballer. Once again a latish pick

[Twodogs]

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Is Laclan Noble any relation to David Noble who was coaching with us for a few seasons?

Or going back a little further maybe even Mark.