The 2011 draft and trading thread

[KT31]

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I think we have to be. I think spending our money wisely in recruiting & development is the only way we can survive & thrive. We have to be able to get a team together that can pick the eyes out of the draft better than most and then develop them better than most. If we can't be one of the leaders in this area then free agency will cripple us.

Free agency will only cripple us if we allow it to.
We have been one of the most succesful sides in the last twenty years and are yet to crack the big one.
Plenty of marketing oppotunities have not been capalitised
Should we just roll over and conceed we are just making up numbers now, this is not and option possibly we need a new direction and management.
Or demand a better result from our club.

[Bornadog]

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There has been a lot of talk on Trade Radio that Essendon have been quiet because of Bomber Thomson. His position at Geelong was 'you train your own'; (Plough's words, not mine) ... Meaning you don't trade unless you really have to, it's better to build capacity of your existing crew.

Anyway, I was wonder what other posters thought ... With our new coach spending plenty of years under Bomber, and as he is known as a teacher of players, is this going to be our new approach? We've been a lot quieter in trade week this year than we have been in previous years ??

Geelong have only traded for two players since 2004, Ottens and Drum (who never played a game due to injury). Tells you about the mindset at Geelong.

[Scraggers]

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Geelong have only traded for two players since 2004, Ottens and Drum (who never played a game due to injury). Tells you about the mindset at Geelong.

That's exactly what I mean ... Do you think BMac is bringing that philosophy to the Doggies?

[GVGjr]

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Geelong have only traded for two players since 2004, Ottens and Drum (who never played a game due to injury). Tells you about the mindset at Geelong.

So once they built their list they stopped trading for top ups. This sounds about right. I wonder if Thompson would have had the same view if he didn't have Stephen Wells outperforming the league with his player recruitment year after year?

[azabob]

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That's exactly what I mean ... Do you think BMac is bringing that philosophy to the Doggies?

Its an interesting one. First answer is develop your own and trading is the devil, but on the other hand Hawthorn and Collingwood have not been afraid to trade and have experienced the ultimate success.

[GVGjr]

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Its an interesting one. First answer is develop your own and trading is the devil, but on the other hand Hawthorn and Collingwood have not been afraid to trade and have experienced the ultimate success.

There is good examples of both approaches. I think the Hawks do it better than most.

[Dry Rot]

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Its an interesting one. First answer is develop your own and trading is the devil, but on the other hand Hawthorn and Collingwood have not been afraid to trade and have experienced the ultimate success.

Ditto the master traders the Swans. Aside from the Vez/Everrit swap, their record is pretty good over many years.

[Bornadog]

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That's exactly what I mean ... Do you think BMac is bringing that philosophy to the Doggies?

I guess depends on what he thinks of our list

So once they built their list they stopped trading for top ups. This sounds about right. I wonder if Thompson would have had the same view if he didn't have Stephen Wells outperforming the league with his player recruitment year after year?

Was Stephen involved in the 1999 super draft where they picked up some players to form the nucleus of arguably one of the most successful periods in modern Footy? Your right though good recruitment makes a massive difference.

Its an interesting one. First answer is develop your own and trading is the devil, but on the other hand Hawthorn and Collingwood have not been afraid to trade and have experienced the ultimate success.

Compare their success to Geelongs

[Mantis]

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I guess depends on what he thinks of our list

If he thinks it's anything but unbalanced he is kidding himself.

Was Stephen involved in the 1999 super draft where they picked up some players to form the nucleus of arguably one of the most successful periods in modern Footy? Your right though good recruitment makes a massive difference.

Geelong's startegy not to trade is a direct by-product of a good drafting history. One cannot assume they only followed this theory because it's the right thing to do because they haven't had to make a choice like other teams have.

[The Underdog]

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Geelong's startegy not to trade is a direct by-product of a good drafting history. One cannot assume they only followed this theory because it's the right thing to do because they haven't had to make a choice like other teams have.

They also haven't had the cap space to bring in established players. Their excellent drafting has led to them not needing to bring in outside players and as a by-product their ability to hold onto most of those players for market value or less (million dollar offers to Ablett aside) has meant they are at the edge of the salary cap.

[Topdog]

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Geelong's startegy not to trade is a direct by-product of a good drafting history. One cannot assume they only followed this theory because it's the right thing to do because they haven't had to make a choice like other teams have.

It also neglects the fact that 3 very important players (Ottens, Mooney and Harley) were traded to Geelong.

[GVGjr]

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Geelong also got a free ride with multiple father sons picks with very late picks in the draft leaving there top picks for other talent. We have not not been so lucky.

[Bornadog]

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It also neglects the fact that 3 very important players (Ottens, Mooney and Harley) were traded to Geelong.

All pre 2004. In fact 1999/2000

[Bornadog]

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Geelong also got a free ride with multiple father sons picks with very late picks in the draft leaving there top picks for other talent. We have not not been so lucky.

Good point, however, the fact remains they haven't gone for ready made players - which all goes to help when you recruit the way they did.

[Topdog]

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All pre 2004. In fact 1999/2000

yes I know that but they were 3 very key players and all KPP. They have drafted extremely well and obviously had a great development program but you can't just write off trading altogether and conveniently ignore that 3 of your most important players are from trades.

I'm a big fan of drafting your own and not trading but you can't just write it off the way Bomber apparently has.