The draft.

[stefoid]

Re: The draft.

I think you are underestimating them.

Collingwood had Jolly and Wood supported by the likes of Brown and Dawes. With Jolly down on form they faltered a bit at the business end of the season.
Geelong had Ottens and West supported by Hawkins
West Coast had Cox and Naitanui supported by Kennedy and Lynch
Hawthorn ad Renouf, Bailey and Hale
Carlton had Kreuzer and Warnock supported by Hampson and OhAilpin.

In my opinion there is a need for a good ruckman if one can be found.

Rank the things you want to see in your ruck, in order of importance.

For mine:

Marking
Mobility
Contested ball
Kicking
Tapwork

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: The draft.

Rank the things you want to see in your ruck, in order of importance.

For mine:

Marking
Mobility
Contested ball
Kicking
Tapwork

I think Marking is the bees knees of a ruckman.

It automatically makes them dangerous. Whether it be as a tall go to man through the middle or from a kick in, or as a tall forward.
Imagine if Big Will could actually mark consistently, he'd be a hell of a lot better player.

[Bornadog]

Re: The draft.

So hes a good big mark is he?

Wouldn't have a clue, I have never seen him play. GVGJr can answer that one.

[stefoid]

Re: The draft.

Wouldn't have a clue, I have never seen him play. GVGJr can answer that one.

My whole point is I dont want to even look at a ruckman, project or otherwise, unless he is a decent big mark. Everything else is optional.

If Prato can get up there and clunk a mark, then he stays! (like if I was in charge of anything other than my keybaord)

[chef]

Re: The draft.

Jack Frost from Williamstown (tall defender) is another we had a fair bit of interest in last year, but he failed a medico. I suspect he will be on our radar again this year as well as his brother Sam who is a little bit similar.

Would have been nice to get him as a pre listed player from GWS for Reid instead of a pick.

[GVGjr]

Re: The draft.

If Prato can get up there and clunk a mark, then he stays! (like if I was in charge of anything other than my keybaord)

He could take a good grab and had a nice leap but he was no ruckman and was very inconsistent.

[mjp]

Re: The draft.

Rank the things you want to see in your ruck, in order of importance.

For mine:

Marking
Mobility
Contested ball
Kicking
Tapwork

1/.Competitiveness and willingness to sacrifice game to protect space around the contest.
2/.Ability to put hands on the ball/body and cause a hard out at a stoppage.
3/.Willingness to run hard from stoppage to stoppage - not dependent on 'kick behind' game-style.
..
..
68/.Marking
..
73/.Tapwork.
..
86/.Kicking
..

[azabob]

Re: The draft.

1/.Competitiveness and willingness to sacrifice game to protect space around the contest.
2/.Ability to put hands on the ball/body and cause a hard out at a stoppage.
3/.Willingness to run hard from stoppage to stoppage - not dependent on 'kick behind' game-style.
..
..
68/.Marking
..
73/.Tapwork.
..
86/.Kicking
..

So similar to Brisbanes new ruckman Ben Hudson?

[anfo27]

Re: The draft.

I would like us to take a Talia or if there is a better KP prospect at that pick then grab him.

A question for MJP. What do you know and think of Waylon Manson a 196cm aboriginal kid from northern WA?

[Greystache]

Re: The draft.

I would like us to take a Talia or if there is a better KP prospect at that pick then grab him.

I'm not overly excited about Talia, at 192.4cm he's going to be outsized by big key forwards his whole career. He'll end up being a third tall defender, and given his kicking isn't great that makes that role not overly suitable.

[Missing Dog]

Re: The draft.

I'm not overly excited about Talia, at 192.4cm he's going to be outsized by big key forwards his whole career. He'll end up being a third tall defender, and given his kicking isn't great that makes that role not overly suitable.

I'm not the biggest fan of Talia either, but surely 192cm isn't a big problem. Scarlett, Glass and Rutten are all listed at 192cm.

I'd personally go for Boseley over Talia anyway, but that's just my opinion. Many think the opposite.

[soupman]

Re: The draft.

Not sure that Talia is being talked up because he is a great propect or because he goes for the Bulldogs and is tall (not saying he doesn't deserve the wraps, just that I think people may be a bit biased).

I think certainly we need to draft a ruck. There is nothing to say that any of Minson, Roughead or Cordy will actually develop as hoped, and both Roughead and Cordy have had numerous injury issues. And I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned that Prato will be delisted, and even if it hasn't, surely considering he's played about 2 games for the Willy seniors in 3 years it would indicate that he probably isn't going to make it.

Ruck is the one out and out specialist position left in the AFL and there should always be a couple on your list. You need them for depth, they take a while to come on and if you develop too many well trade them to Richmond for overs (Ivan Maric is a spud). I'm uncomfotable with the lack of depth we have in the position, both for 2012 and longer term. This is part of the reason I wpould like O'hailpin on the list because at the very least he gives us someone who maybe able to at least nullify most opposition rucks should we need to use him.

[Greystache]

Re: The draft.

I'm not the biggest fan of Talia either, but surely 192cm isn't a big problem. Scarlett, Glass and Rutten are all listed at 192cm.

I'd personally go for Boseley over Talia anyway, but that's just my opinion. Many think the opposite.

They're all coming to the end though, key forwards are getting bigger and bigger. Forwards like Franklin, Cloke, Jones, Butcher, and Patton are the future (197-199cm). Rutten and Glass get away with such a disadvantage at the moment because they're more physically developed (Scarlett hasn't played on an opponent in years). They won't have that advantage much longer.

[Missing Dog]

Re: The draft.

They're all coming to the end though, key forwards are getting bigger and bigger. Forwards like Franklin, Cloke, Jones, Butcher, and Patton are the future (197-199cm). Rutten and Glass get away with such a disadvantage at the moment because they're more physically developed (Scarlett hasn't played on an opponent in years). They won't have that advantage much longer.

I don't agree.

James Frawley (193cm) and Alex Salvagni (191cm) are excellent young defenders. They have done good jobs on Franklin and Cloke. Dylan Grimes (193cm) has also played well on the bigger forwards (Franklin) before doing his hammy. Michael Jamison (193cm) is a good defender. There's quite a few young ones there.

I've seen Talia do a good job on Patton and Elton this year so he can contain the bigger forwards. He definitely has the physicality for it. In saying all that, his leap is quite poor and his arm length isn't very long which does make it much more harder for him.

I would not choose him with our first pick though.

[mjp]

Re: The draft.

I would like us to take a Talia or if there is a better KP prospect at that pick then grab him.

A question for MJP. What do you know and think of Waylon Manson a 196cm aboriginal kid from northern WA?

I have seen him play live 3 times - so probably know more than most.

Think - he is a freak and has quite an amazing set of hands...but I couldn't imagine anyone actually drafting the kid. He is miles and miles away from being ready for part-time work, let alone full time footy.