Williamstown v Werribee Round 3

[Greystache]

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For me the MC has got a lot of things wrong:

1. Didn't want Brian Lake because they thought Roughead is the future at fullback. Issue - we are robbed of another KPP - all be it for two years. ok past history we move forward.

2. Tom Williams - Forgetting the injuries - sticking him in the forward line???

3. Murphy in the backline - last season and now the past two weeks and probably the rest of the year. - robs us kicking goals.

4. Cooney - ditto

5. Picken - one of the best taggers in the AFL, third in best and fairest, - trying to make him into a back pocket - again doesn't work.

6. Cordy - ok, must give him a go, but he hasn't earned in - Gets injured, plays a weak game at Willi and marches straight into the team. Ok, didn't work, drop him this week.

7. Grant - enough said.

8. Keeping Vez on the list at the end of last year.

I can see what Macca is trying to do, by making these guys flexible, but gee it hasn't worked at all. Time for a rethink.

Murphy played half back in 2011 under Eade also, I remember it being declared a masterstoke of coaching. This despite us being unable to kick goals when Hall didn't play/struggled.

So are both match committees wrong for this move or is it just the current one?

[SlimPickens]

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Excellent review,my only comment would be to play Grant and Howard for the remainder of the season before delisting.They were high picks and a lot of time and effort has been put into their development.What have we got to lose??

Have you seen Howard play in recent weeks Neddie? Not sure he is doing enough to warrant a game, would have loved for him to really push for selection(as we need his perceived skill set) but unfortunately it just hasn't happened.

[SlimPickens]

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For me the MC has got a lot of things wrong:

3. Murphy in the backline - last season and now the past two weeks and probably the rest of the year. - robs us kicking .

Whatever we do with Murph it's very much robbing Peter to pay Paul. We need his skill both ends of the ground and now with JJ out more than ever.

He certainly butchered it out of defence on the weekend, but he just has to play their for the time being.

[Bornadog]

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Murphy played half back in 2011 under Eade also, I remember it being declared a masterstoke of coaching. This despite us being unable to kick goals when Hall didn't play/struggled.

So are both match committees wrong for this move or is it just the current one?

Under Eade, Murphy was a running half back flanker creating play. Macca used Murphy as a defensive player against smalls. eg, last year Betts, Milne etc. He is not cut out to do that, and now with JJ down, the same thing will happen. Murphy's kicking last year and this year in the backline is woeful, whereas he seems to be more accurate in the forward line.

I think he is better suited in the forward line, but as Slimpickens says we need two of him.

[Sedat]

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Murphy played half back in 2011 under Eade also, I remember it being declared a masterstoke of coaching. This despite us being unable to kick goals when Hall didn't play/struggled.

So are both match committees wrong for this move or is it just the current one?

Bob should be horses for courses. He is talented enough at both ends and should be deployed wherever he is most needed.

For his physical state, moving him back in 2011 and this year has been a positive in that it will help extract an extra season or two out of him - we need players of his skill and vision in our team for as long as possible irrespective of age. Had he continued to play forward exclusively over the last 3 seasons, this would almost certainly have been his last year.

[Bornadog]

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He certainly butchered it out of defence on the weekend, but he just has to play their for the time being.

Why does he have to play there? Why does Cooney have to play there?

[Greystache]

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Under Eade, Murphy was a running half back flanker creating play. Macca used Murphy as a defensive player against smalls. eg, last year Betts, Milne etc. He is not cut out to do that, and now with JJ down, the same thing will happen. Murphy's kicking last year and this year in the backline is woeful, whereas he seems to be more accurate in the forward line.

He's played exactly the same role this year as he did in 2011 under Eade. You don't want Murphy, Picken, or JJ playing on small forwards, Wood is permanently injured, and last year Morris didn't play a game. Who would you have doing it?

Why does he have to play there? Why does Cooney have to play there?

You constantly complain about our lack of ball movement out of the backline yet you complain Murphy, Picken, and Cooney shouldn't play there. Who would you like providing run the you demand?

If our previous football department didn't blow our recruiting year after year (Everitt, Howard, and Tutt in particular) we might have some options, but we don't.

[Bornadog]

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Why do you constantly bring up Eade and the past? That's history, I believe he is gone.

We need solutions for today.

He's played exactly the same role this year as he did in 2011 under Eade.

I beg to differ on that one, he played a HBF role, not a back pocket role. Anyway who cares about 2011. I think we need him up forward. He has shown he was the AFLs BEST forward 50 entry player up until a few weeks ago (from Champion data), now we have moved him.

You constantly complain about our lack of ball movement out of the backline yet you complain Murphy, Picken, and Cooney shouldn't play there. Who would you like providing run the you demand?

If our previous football department didn't blow our recruiting year after year (Everitt, Howard, and Tutt in particular) we might have some options, but we don't.

So your happy with Cooney, Picken and Murphy playing in the backline?

Fine, that's your opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree.

What would I do? Well seeing we are constantly losing games, I would try some different players down there. Maybe Pearce, Tutt or Howard. If they are no good, get rid of them at years end.

Try this:

Pearce Roughead Morris
Young, Talia, Goodes

[Greystache]

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Why do you constantly bring up Eade and the past? That's history, I believe he is gone.

We need solutions for today.

You specifically mention that the current MC have made a poor decision moving Murphy to defence, ignoring he played there under the previous coaching group, and question why someone would bring up the previous coach.

I beg to differ on that one, he played a HBF role, not a back pocket role. Anyway who cares about 2011. I think we need him up forward. He has shown he was the AFLs BEST forward 50 entry player up until a few weeks ago (from Champion data), now we have moved him.

Semantics, but he's not been a lockdown defender at all this year regardless.

So your happy with Cooney, Picken and Murphy playing in the backline?

Fine, that's your opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree.

What would I do? Well seeing we are constantly losing games, I would try some different players down there. Maybe Pearce, Tutt or Howard. If they are no good, get rid of them at years end.

Try this:

Pearce Roughead Morris
Young, Talia, Goodes

So basically we should have no one who can rebound or kick other than Goodes (who is questionable), and at a stretch Young. How is making our ball movement out of defence worse going to benefit our forwards further up the ground?

[Bornadog]

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So basically we should have no one who can rebound or kick other than Goodes (who is questionable), and at a stretch Young. How is making our ball movement out of defence worse going to benefit our forwards further up the ground?

Better than having Cooney down there who doesn't know how to play a backman's role. Picken has failed and we need two Bob Murphys, although i believe he is a better forward than back.

Alternative - keep the same as now and keep losing games, don't develop anyone new.

[Greystache]

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Better than having Cooney down there who doesn't know how to play a backman's role. Picken has failed and we need two Bob Murphys, although i believe he is a better forward than back.

Alternative - keep the same as now and keep losing games, don't develop anyone new.

Cooney looks like he doesn't want to play a backman's role, which is pretty pathetic given his lack of output over recent seasons. Playing off a half back flank is virtually no different from playing in the midfield, to suggest he isn't playing well because of his position is pretty far fetched. Half the midfielders in the AFL rotate off half back, and Mitchell, Gibbs, Hodge, and Bartel have played extended stints there this season. The difference is their attitude.

The alternative is completely losing all structure and making it impossible for both ends of the ground to develop.

[neddie]

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Have you seen Howard play in recent weeks Neddie? Not sure he is doing enough to warrant a game, would have loved for him to really push for selection(as we need his perceived skill set) but unfortunately it just hasn't happened.

No,but I have seen reviews by coach German,all were positive !!

[SlimPickens]

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No,but I have seen reviews by coach German,all were positive !!

Saw him first hand against the blues and he seemed to do ok. Nothing spectacular. Missed last week I believe not sure if it was injury or a rest.

You'd think he may be in contention this week but considering he hasn't played in two weeks I'd have others ahead of him.

[Bulldog4life]

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Cooney looks like he doesn't want to play a backman's role, which is pretty pathetic given his lack of output over recent seasons. Playing off a half back flank is virtually no different from playing in the midfield, to suggest he isn't playing well because of his position is pretty far fetched. Half the midfielders in the AFL rotate off half back, and Mitchell, Gibbs, Hodge, and Bartel have played extended stints there this season. The difference is their attitude.

The alternative is completely losing all structure and making it impossible for both ends of the ground to develop.

Excellent point Greystache. Just going on looks but poor Coons looks so disinterested out there. Would love to see him "geed" up.

[GVGjr]

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Everyone wants to point to a problem that can be quickly fixed. Ours can't be. Poor drafting took years to hurt and will take years to fix.

Our last 2 drafts look good-to-very good, both the picks and subsequent development. Isn't that an indication we're doing something right?

If we're truly rebuilding via the draft, we have 2 more years of serious pain and then things will look OK. If that's the overall strategy from Gordon, Garlic, Macca et al, then we're gonna have to suck it up.

Agreed, we can't fix in 2 years the list management issues that started 6 years back.