Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

[Axe Man]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

It hasn't worked often when you add a batting all-rounder in at number 7 as typically they don't end up batting like a number 6.
I agree that we cant drop Marsh.

I think we will be going into this game with a focus on getting a draw more than a win.
To me Carey at 7, Neser at 8 followed by Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood looks a strong enough tail.

Green's fielding must be a consideration as well, he has taken some rippers in gully.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

It hasn't worked often when you add a batting all-rounder in at number 7 as typically they don't end up batting like a number 6.
I agree that we cant drop Marsh.

I think we will be going into this game with a focus on getting a draw more than a win.
To me Carey at 7, Neser at 8 followed by Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood looks a strong enough tail.

Not sure how you play to draw against Bazball.

We simply need to get enough runs so that they implode chasing them.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Surprise surprise England won a 4th toss in a row.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Warner out cheaply again.

[Sedat]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Warner out cheaply again.

Biggest nicker since Norman Gunston

[Grantysghost]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Biggest nicker since Norman Gunston

That length is perfect. He can't resist.

[Bornadog]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

these two need to stay in for a big partnership

[Sedat]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

How did the on-field umpire not give that out?

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Shame, Smith was looking in ominous form. This is a 400+ pitch, anything less is a fail.

Thought the Hawkeye for Marnus was a little generous in terms of the turn........lets face it Moeen is a spinner in name only.

Hoping that the Warne Factor on the camera is set at the same level when we bowl.

[lemmon]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Probably the most frustrating day of the tour for me. Good pitch, flat deck, your batsman all get starts, you've got genuine batting to 8 and we had the best of the overhead conditions - that day should've ended closer to four wickets down, not nine.

Think the batting coach will have had some stern conversations.

[D Mitchell]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

I do like to sleep. 8/299. I read that rain's forecast every day with the adjective heavy on day 4. A draw coming up.

[jeemak]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Probably the most frustrating day of the tour for me. Good pitch, flat deck, your batsman all get starts, you've got genuine batting to 8 and we had the best of the overhead conditions - that day should've ended closer to four wickets down, not nine.

Think the batting coach will have had some stern conversations.

That not one of them could get past 75 or 100 was really ordinary. Marnus going out the way he did followed by Head going out the way he did got me super frustrating. I didn't see the remaining dismissals, not sure I want to!

[GVGjr]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Probably the most frustrating day of the tour for me. Good pitch, flat deck, your batsman all get starts, you've got genuine batting to 8 and we had the best of the overhead conditions - that day should've ended closer to four wickets down, not nine.

Think the batting coach will have had some stern conversations.

That's how I see it. England bowled well but so many of our batsman got starts and didn't apply themselves to go on with it.
Had we finished the day at 5 for 275 I'd have been far happier.

[Axe Man]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Agree, super frustrating day. 400 or more makes it difficult to lose. A likely low 300s total leaves them in the game and the ashes.

Hard to be overly critical of Warner as above when almost every batsman did the same as he did - got themselves in and then threw their wicket away with a poor shot.

[Bornadog]

Re: Ashes 4th: Wednesday July 19-Sunday July 23, Old Trafford

Since the pitch was swung around to face a different from 2011, the average first innings totals have been 382. That is the sort of number we should be close to. As it is we will be lucky to be 320