Ricky Ponting

[Twodogs]

Re: Ricky Ponting

Ok Its a twodogs I'm saying it should be a policy at the moment for Australian cricket.
Show me a 30+yo fast bowler that you think should debut? I believe Nannes is up there but there are probably younger and just as talented players out there. He would have to take 50 state wickets maintain his fitness before I would consider.

Stuey Clark did alright.

[LostDoggy]

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Stuey Clark did alright.

He debutted at 30 when the side was good and they could afford it.
I'm saying in the current climate.

[LostDoggy]

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Yep. That's my exact point...

Are you saying we should ignore Hayden's failures in a losing side and hold off his retirement in hope that he makes one good score?

[Twodogs]

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He debutted at 30 when the side was good and they could afford it.
I'm saying in the current climate.

So we could afford to ignore a bowler as good as Clark because of what it says on his birth certificate? I dont think so.

[LostDoggy]

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So we could afford to ignore a bowler as good as Clark because of what it says on his birth certificate? I dont think so.

Again if he stats are extrordinary then I would consider, its very rare and not something that should be encouraged.
We need 10 year players not 2 year ones.

[Topdog]

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Yes I'm a dickhead because you come out with the crap.
I'm not sure what you are trying say?
Is it if Tait wasn't injured all the time, if had the desire, if he improved his bowling, if his competition not performed as well, then he would played 15 test by now? Would have Australia beaten both India and South Africa cos he was there? I doubt it.
Its huge stretch to say he would played 15 tests, let alone been a good contributor.

No you are a dickhead because you attempt to twist what people say to make your argument look better.
How can you not be sure of what I am trying to say. I'm not being cryptic just saying he would have been of more use to Australia in this series than Siddle and Lee. His "competition" has nothing to do with him not playing for Australia.

15 may have been a slight stetch seeing as he "retired" at the start of last year.

[LostDoggy]

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No you are a dickhead because you attempt to twist what people say to make your argument look better.

How can you not be sure of what I am trying to say. I'm not being cryptic just saying he would have been of more use to Australia in this series than Siddle and Lee.

His "competition" has nothing to do with him not playing for Australia.
15 may have been a slight stetch seeing as he "retired" at the start of last year.

Yes I'm twisting around your statement that Tait's retirement has hurt Australian cricket more than we like to admit. To me that means you think he would have changed the result of series or two.
Given his performances at test level prior his retirement were mediocre, still seems to be injured a lot and his 2008 shield averages are poor. I'm not sure how you can guess he would have been more of use than Lee and Siddle?
I'll accept being called a dickhead if I spun crap like that.

[LostDoggy]

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Wow, there is a lot of fire in this thread, if only the aussie bowlers showed so much intensity...

I hope it doesnt mean I need to pee sitting down but I reckon Tait would have been really handy with some tests under his belt, as a batsmen it is scariest when a bowler doesnt know where he will land the ball, adds an x factor and would have been a good team with consistent Stu Clark and Mitch. While he isnt consistent I dont think we would have gone several sessions without wickets as we have recently had the erratic human catapult been there. As stated though he needs a heart transplant and may have missed his chance. Still love to watch him at state level, you never know what will happen but something will. something like and dont quote me... 4 no balls 2 boundaries and 2 wickets in his first over in a match earlier this year, crazy mo fo, that was entertainment!

I agree with Ernie that, for right now, where we are at with Aussie cricket, that we should lean towards younger players now and build a unit again. I think we have retained players too long and debutted quality players too late. Need to be a bit more ruthless. As much as I love to watch Haydo bat I wouldnt have picked him for Sydney.

[LostDoggy]

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Ricky

Is he the best captain?
Should he be captain?

My opinion . No and No.

He has made some shocking decisions, particularly lately. M Hussey has a far better cricket brain but I would give M Clark the cap as per my leaning toward youth policy at the moment with the shameles Hussey as vice.

Who knows, maybe after Ponting has a petulent fit, a public spat with CA and a fling with a transvestite, he might pull his head in and go back to making thousands of runs a season...

Sorry Ricky you cant captain for sh!t!!

[GVGjr]

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Ricky

Is he the best captain?
Should he be captain?

My opinion . No and No.

He has made some shocking decisions, particularly lately. M Hussey has a far better cricket brain but I would give M Clark the cap as per my leaning toward youth policy at the moment with the shameles Hussey as vice.

I don't think there is a viable better option at the moment and even though he does have some flaws, I'd think he would do a better job than Clarke and Hussey has some issues with his form anyway.

[mighty_west]

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I think when it comes down to selecting the Aussie side, it has to come down to the best team avaliable, and not having to re-build as such, yeah sure, if there are a few retirements like we have had, with the likes of McGrath, Warne, Martyn, Langer, Gilly etc etc, your going to have to re-structure the team, but that doesn't mean it has to re-build from the bottom up, like say with an AFL team, cricket is not a young mans sport.

The domestic competition allows players to develop, so if a player is best suited to make his debut, whether he is 21, or 31, then so be it, players don't have to be 10-15 year players in the Aussie side.

In reality, for a player to debut at such a young age, he really has to be seen as a freak once a decade type of player, otherwise you just select the best talent available, if David Hussey is the next best batting option in the pecking order, then he shouldn't have to miss out because of his age.

Most times anyway, batsmen don't REALLY mature or get to their peak until their late 20's, Brad Haddin was always seen as a better gloveman than Gilly, and had to wait for his chance, so now he is seen as the best keeper available, then why wouldn't he have that position, seems crazy to give it to some up & comer, just for the sake of it, and not our best player for that spot.

[Twodogs]

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Again if he stats are extrordinary then I would consider, its very rare and not something that should be encouraged.
We need 10 year players not 2 year ones.

Why? Theres no salary cap, there's no list numbers, there's no proper defined season that the players work towards which culminates in a champion team at the end of it. Test cricket is a nebulus beast.


We can pick players from anywhere in Australia and there arent any limits on the numbers we can use. Why do we need to be 'developing' players in the national team? That's what Shield cricket is for. If Shield teams were doing a lousy job bringing players through and the first class standard in this country wasnt better than most national teams (ie Zimbabwe, Bangledesh, New Zealand and The Windies) then your argument would have some merit, but it doesnt.

[Topdog]

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Why? Theres no salary cap, there's no list numbers, there's no proper defined season that the players work towards which culminates in a champion team at the end of it. Test cricket is a nebulus beast.


We can pick players from anywhere in Australia and there arent any limits on the numbers we can use. Why do we need to be 'developing' players in the national team? That's what Shield cricket is for. If Shield teams were doing a lousy job bringing players through and the first class standard in this country wasnt better than most national teams (ie Zimbabwe, Bangledesh, New Zealand and The Windies) then your argument would have some merit, but it doesnt.

And we have Australia A.

[Topdog]

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Yes I'm twisting around your statement that Tait's retirement has hurt Australian cricket more than we like to admit. To me that means you think he would have changed the result of series or two.
Given his performances at test level prior his retirement were mediocre, still seems to be injured a lot and his 2008 shield averages are poor. I'm not sure how you can guess he would have been more of use than Lee and Siddle?
I'll accept being called a dickhead if I spun crap like that.

Well to keep it simple you are wrong. No one even mentions Tait in the media anymore. I simply think he is good enough to be mentioned. He had 1 poor Test match but his others were better than mediocre.

I don't expect players to change the result of a series in their first 10 tests. They need time and Johnson has started coming good in what now, his 15th test?

BTW Lee has got the fantastic figures of what in this series? I don't think it's a stretch to say others could offer more. 1/249 isn't what I'd call mediocre. It's ****ing terrible.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Bollinger's from NSW, Hilfenhaus never stood a chance