Australia vs Pakistan

[comrade]

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For those watching has the pitch improved that much such that the Paki's are 0/71 at present?

I saw the first few overs and the ball was still darting around off the deck.

It's playing similar to yesterday. The ball has beaten the bat plenty of times but there have been less loose shots by the Paki batsman.

[Mantis]

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Just shows what a little better pitch and valueing your wicket can achieve.

Must say the commentators are giving me the irritables, "a couple of wickets will fall soon" etc

How about some credit for the batsman getting through a rough patch and fighting it out?

Very bias in my opinion.

Yes the pitch has improved a little, but the batsman seem to be 'digging in' and are getting reward for their effort.

It would have been nice to see a few of ours do the same.

[chef]

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For those watching has the pitch improved that much such that the Paki's are 0/71 at present?

I saw the first few overs and the ball was still darting around off the deck.

IMO the Paki's are just playing the conditions better(they have improved for the batting side slightly). Australia have dropped a catch at first slip, had one just drop short at second slip and missed about three run outs(Haddin should have hit the stumps).

And they just missed an LBW(off Hauritz bowling) if they had have referred it. Nothing is going our way.

[LostDoggy]

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Just shows what a little better pitch and valueing your wicket can achieve.

Must say the commentators are giving me the irritables, "a couple of wickets will fall soon" etc

How about some credit for the batsman getting through a rough patch and fighting it out?

Very bias in my opinion.

Don't listen to Channel 9 -- that's just an old boys club (I like Tubby as a commentator, having said that), I guess it's hard for it not to be biased when the whole commentary box is full of former baggy greens.

The ABC do cricket a heck of a lot better anyway -- there's more to talking about cricket then just being a former player; after all, most of the best cricket writers weren't always the best players, and most players' books consist of one-line beer jokes or are near unreadable, or both!

[LostDoggy]

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It doesn't matter if the pitch hasn't improved. You decide to bat first on a green top you put the pressure on your own bats and take it off the opposition bats.

[GVGjr]

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Everyone of the 9 batsman dismissed so far for Pakistan has made double figures and with a lead of 200 plus and 3 days to go we will need to bat very well tomorrow.
Watson chimed in with a couple of wickets and kept things tight. He's probably being bowled more than he should be though.

[Rocco Jones]

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i think the selectors really don't place much value in solid batsmen who accumulate an innings by digging in and the like. It seems players like Rogers and Klinger dominance at state level is ignored because they don't have the game to succeed at the highest level.

Whenever our batsmen face difficult conditions like a pitch with a bit of green or quality bowling, our players try to hit their way out of trouble.

[GVGjr]

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i think the selectors really don't place much value in solid batsmen who accumulate an innings by digging in and the like. It seems players like Rogers and Klinger dominance at state level is ignored because they don't have the game to succeed at the highest level.

Whenever our batsmen face difficult conditions like a pitch with a bit of green or quality bowling, our players try to hit their way out of trouble.

I'm not so sure about that. Both North and Katich made their names by being hard to get out batsman so I think the selectors won't fill a side with players of that ilk but they have no problems with having one or two of them.
Even Watson before his limited over cricket success wasn't a quick scorer.

[ledge]

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Just read the story on the Cricket Australia website, now its a good batting wicket, well go figure.

[GVGjr]

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How much did we miss Hilfenhaus today? I think he was the sort of bowlers who would have loved bowling on that wicket.

[chef]

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Good start by Watson, while Hughes looks at bit scratchy.

[mighty_west]

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It doesn't matter if the pitch hasn't improved. You decide to bat first on a green top you put the pressure on your own bats and take it off the opposition bats.

Well it does actually, i can understand people thinking bowl first on a deck like that, obviously the Australian side have a bat first at all times mentality, and whatever conditions won't stray from those thoughts.

Even though its a green top, the pitch will still die off and dry out, crumble effects take place with bowlers foot marks, then you have the cracks that will appear, the bowlers should have a field day on day 5 if they get it right.

[LostDoggy]

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Well it does actually, i can understand people thinking bowl first on a deck like that, obviously the Australian side have a bat first at all times mentality, and whatever conditions won't stray from those thoughts.

It a good theory when every test is played flat and non resonsive pitches. It wasn't the case here so it does matter.

Even though its a green top, the pitch will still die off and dry out, crumble effects take place with bowlers foot marks, then you have the cracks that will appear, the bowlers should have a field day on day 5 if they get it right.

sorry but that can't be true. If the pitch green therefore alive then it won't die - crumble in 5 days unless there are temperature of 40+ for the 5 days. There is no doubt the pitch is improving daily so far for batting. It might be bad on day 5 but no where near the condition on day 1.

[mighty_west]

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It a good theory when every test is played flat and non resonsive pitches. It wasn't the case here so it does matter.



sorry but that can't be true. If the pitch green therefore alive then it won't die - crumble in 5 days unless there are temperature of 40+ for the 5 days. There is no doubt the pitch is improving daily so far for batting. It might be bad on day 5 but no where near the condition on day 1.

The other factor is the one in the minds, and batting sides having to play on a 5th day pitch no matter the state of it, and i'm tipping that is right up there in Punters thinking, having to go in and score 250-300 in the 4th innings of a game, especially when the ball will be moving around from the spinners, and make no mistake, that it will be doing at Sydney.

[mighty_west]

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sorry but that can't be true. If the pitch green therefore alive then it won't die - crumble in 5 days unless there are temperature of 40+ for the 5 days. There is no doubt the pitch is improving daily so far for batting. It might be bad on day 5 but no where near the condition on day 1.

It is true, the pitch is already dying on day 3, scuff marks are appearing where spin bowlers love to land them, that green is now white, and a few cracks are appearing, from the footage before the days play, and comparing the wicket on the first 3 days.

That said, right now, is the best time to at, day 2 & 3 also good to bat on, i'm tipping it won;t be so easy comeday 5, just as it was hard to bat on day 1, and i reckon that was Pontings main concern.